NYS: Still No Application for Home Inspectors!
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Bill Merrell
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Posted: Fri, Aug 26th, 2:51 AM Post subject: NYS: Still No Application for Home Inspectors!
I hope the application comes out soon for Home Inspectors. It would be a very serious situation if Home Inspectors were unable to make a living if there are items in the application which a seasoned Home Inspector must comply with, with added education, experience etc. It is everyone's hope that the applications will be forthcoming shortly. Also the schools have to be granted approval for their courses. Until there is a true approval, no one can say for sure what will and won't be accepted. Nick wrote in his article that NYS said there may be a grace period after 12-31-05. I hope so, but no one from NYS will give me a written letter confirming or denying this. They don't even have a list at present for those who wish to receive an application when it becomes available...originally June, now Sept, 2005. Let's see if the application is available 09-05. I know the state is still working on it, as of yesterday it was not in print!
As an educator, I want to make sure that all courses offered are approved. Until then, we will only offer an Introductory course for those who are considering the field. Other schools may go ahead and proceed with one hundred plus hours of education. What if the education is not approved. Our school will take a conservative approach and wait until the approval process for education becomes a reality. That is why we are only offering an initial Introductory course.
Bill Merrell, Ph.D- Fellow NACHI Member
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Thomas Brady
Brady Home Inspection
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 6:12 PM Post subject: NYS Still no licensing application
Bill-
I was at a NACHI chapter meeting in May of this year in Rochester NY and spoke with Assemblyman Johns (Sponser person of the bill) - she stated that in reality NYS may not be ready in 2006 and may take until 2007 to get their "stuff" together for full enactment - I guess We will all have to be a bit more patient - mean while back to work.
- Tom Brady - Brady Home Inspection - Cortland, NY
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Bill Merrell
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 6:22 PM Post subject: Thank you
Thank you for your input- It's a wait and see and now that it's Sept. we know the applications are not ready as scheduled-
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James Bushart
Home Inspection Services of Missouri
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 8:37 PM Post subject:
Bill -
I know that there have been many fine home inspectors, some very visible and some behind the scenes, who have been working for quite a few years to develop the legislation that has yet to be implemented.
The bill that has already been signed into law has been enthusiastically received by some and simply accepted by others. The infrastructure in implementing it is in the process of development. No strong movement to oppose it has been made a matter for record until your posts.
Since you are not a home inspector and are relatively new on the scene, what qualifies you to involve yourself in this process (aside from those issues that involve your educational providing business)?
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Bill Merrell
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 10:23 PM Post subject: Incorrect
Who says I am not a Home Inspector- has anyone ever taken the time to ask me my entire qualifications, as compared to my education resume.
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Bill Merrell
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 10:35 PM Post subject: Resume
Do you require a resume which includes items other than an educational nature, which has already been submitted to the education committee, 1 month ago.
I own the firm, New York Inspection Services, and even though I do not actively perform inspections due to my disability, I am involved and review each and every inspection my firm completes.
What I don't understand is the simple fact is that NACHI members with more than 100 inspectors do NOT need 2 years experience and therefore they do NOT need education. If my motives were that of a school why am I advocating NOT needing additional education.
Ask Len if what I am saying is true!- allaround@optonline.net
Ask the other 60 people in attendance if I even solicited my school once. The answer is NO. I don't think experienced people need added education, they need a license, and although you may not know it, I have been working with GORR (Governors Office on Regulatory Reform) and NYS, DOS (Dept. of State). I have also been working with Dearborne Publishing (Carlson Dunlop Series-which I own the entire curriculum including all videos, cd-roms, power point presentations and 4,000 pages of manuals) Thomsons (owner of Prentice hall and Computaught) Both will confirm my involvement for more than 3 years to date. The fact that my involvement was as a citizen shouldn't upset anyone. It should be considered refreshing!
The law should allow a transition and a phase in. With 118 days to go, we will be jumping around to even get an application to become licensed...which presently is not available. That would be a good first step!
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James Bushart
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 10:35 PM Post subject: Re: Incorrect
bmerrell wrote:
Who says I am not a Home Inspector- has anyone ever taken the time to ask me my entire qualifications, as compared to my education resume.
Paul Sabados did. You replied, as follows:
bmerrell wrote:
Am I a Full-Time Active Home Inspector as of this moment- NO
Has there been a change since you stated this on 8/28/05? If there has, I apologize.
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James Bushart
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 10:43 PM Post subject: Re: Resume
bmerrell wrote:
If my motives were that of a school why am I advocating NOT needing additional education.
I did not venture a guess as to your motives, sir, but since you have brought this up…how can one who is advocating NOT needing additional education create and lead a NACHI chapter that is exclusively dealing with education?
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Bill Merrell
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 10:44 PM Post subject: No difference
Full Time Active Inspector is still "NO" due to my disability- that cannot be disputed- I own the firm, NY Inspection Services that actively inspects homes. I review all work with my firm name attached to it.
Where is this going?- read the entire section and my entire reply and you will see that I was very active at one point.
Are you suggesting that if due to a disability, someone has to curtail their activities, that negates anything done in the past?
Suggesting that I am not an Inspector, or was not, or am not is simply not complete. It is a sound bite.
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Bill Merrell
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 10:47 PM Post subject: Education
Many people felt, there was incorrect information being presented. That included WITHIN 2 YEARS was presented to NACHI members as 2 YEARS- Not true.
As Len Ungar will verify, the Long island Chapter and Metro NY Chapter are working as one chapter. That is why they co-sponsored the event.
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James Bushart
Home Inspection Services of Missouri
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 10:47 PM Post subject: Re: No difference
bmerrell wrote:
Full Time Active Inspector is still "NO" due to my disability- that cannot be disputed- I own the firm, NY Inspection Services that actively inspects homes. I review all work with my firm name attached to it.
Where is this going?- read the entire section and my entire reply and you will see that I was very active at one point.
Are you suggesting that if due to a disability, someone has to curtail their activities, that negates anything done in the past?
Suggesting that I am not an Inspector, or was not, or am not is simply not complete. It is a sound bite.
Many years ago, I was a teenager. I am no longer physically able to be one. Can I still call myself a teenager?
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Bill Merrell
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 10:49 PM Post subject: Information
Being able to provide easy to understand correct data, verified by the state is important to all. Many inspectors were misinformed about 2 years of experience. That was a substantial error, and some inspectors were considering quitting because of this. Is that fair for the members.
I agree that no good deed goes unpunished
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James Bushart
Home Inspection Services of Missouri
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 10:56 PM Post subject:
Bill,
I would like to go back to the question I asked regarding the point that you made a couple of posts ago, if I may.
How can one who is advocating NOT needing additional education create and lead a NACHI chapter that is exclusively dealing with education? It seems to be contradictory, as your claims to be working in tandem with another chapter in your front yard is redundant.
Home Inspection Services of Missouri
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Bill Merrell
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 10:57 PM Post subject: Disability
Are you implying that NACHI discriminates against those with a disability and NACHI members with a disability are not to be treated equal? Is that your personal opinion. We are not talking about growing old, we are talking about a life altering disability which I am managing quite well- thanks for asking. I hope that you never experience such a situation and then have someone treat you in this fashion.
Again, no good deed goes unpunished. It wasn't long ago that a disability was called a handicap, simply because persons who were injured and could no longer support themselves begged to support themselves and their families. They had their cap in their hands and thus hand in cappers came to existence. Sounds very demeaning. I hope this is not your intent.
I am glad you don't work for a state agency that works with individuals with a disability. I am not a teenager, nor crippled, but disabled- YES
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Bill Merrell
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 11:01 PM Post subject: Simply the facts
Look at the facts regarding education. I am not offering advanced course, and will not until NY State sets forth an outline to follow. I have the draft and there is alot of work ahead of them.
Will I assist newbies to become Inspectors next year and also recommend them to NACHI. Yes. What is wrong with that? These are individuals I recruit, market, advertise and then, when they become licensed, under a new set of rules, I would recommend NACHI membership to them. The delay of the law will cost schools money in fees, but it will help the profession. Any many educators agree with this observation.
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James Bushart
Home Inspection Services of Missouri
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 11:02 PM Post subject: Re: Disability
bmerrell wrote:
Are you implying that NACHI discriminates against those with a disability and NACHI members with a disability are not to be treated equal? Is that your personal opinion. We are not talking about growing old, we are talking about a life altering disability which I am managing quite well- thanks for asking. I hope that you never experience such a situation and then have someone treat you in this fashion.
Again, no good deed goes unpunished. It wasn't long ago that a disability was called a handicap, simply because persons who were injured and could no longer support themselves begged to support themselves and their families. They had their cap in their hands and thus hand in cappers came to existence. Sounds very demeaning. I hope this is not your intent.
I am glad you don't work for a state agency that works with individuals with a disability. I am not a teenager, nor crippled, but disabled- YES
Please don't attempt to turn this debate into a pity party. Disabilities are not foreign to me or my family and I despise people who attempt to play them to their advantage in issues that do not relate to them. I hope you are not trying to do that, yourself.
When asked if you were a full time home inspector, you said "No". Now, you are claiming that no one ever asked you and that I am exploiting your handicap to say that you are not.
To agree with your statement that you are not a full time home inspector has nothing to do with anyone’s physical abilities or disabilities. You either are or you are not. What you may have been at one time is not an issue.
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Bill Merrell
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 11:07 PM Post subject: A Harsh word
Despise? Over the top.
So reviews and ownership of an active firm does not count- I assume that is your opinion- You were the one who used the example about being a teenager and now your not, but that is life. Disabilities happen, and I have managed it quite well- and my businesses are doing quite well. The Inspection Firm, The Development Firm, The School, all doing well. I don't need pity, but you changed the subject matter to include this.
I simply believe there should be an extension to the law, and the creator of the law agrees. Read the amendment in the assembly.
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Bill Merrell
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 11:10 PM Post subject: Read my post
I have never changed my statements. But you have changed what you believe I have said. I am not ACTIVE FULL TIME INSPECTOR. That does not preclude ownership and review all inspections for my firm. And yes, I own a school and spend many hours in this endeavor as well.
No good deed goes unpunished
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James Bushart
Home Inspection Services of Missouri
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 11:10 PM Post subject: Re: A Harsh word
bmerrell wrote:
So reviews and ownership of an active firm does not count- I assume that is your opinion-
I personally know a woman who owns a home inspection company that has six inspectors working for her. She reviews their reports as well. She is a real estate broker. I suppose, however, you would call her a home inspector…?
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Bill Merrell
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 11:12 PM Post subject: DOES PART-TIEMAN ANYTHING?
Does part-time and 100% ownership of a firm and reviews mean anything? I must ask you this question if you want to go off topic.
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Bill Merrell
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 11:14 PM Post subject: Good Question
Stick to the thread- should we have an extension of the laws in NY State or not- that's where it all started.
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James Bushart
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 11:14 PM Post subject:
Never mind, Mr. Merrell. You have already provided me with a clear understanding of what I wanted to know. Thank you, and best of luck.
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Bill Merrell
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 11:16 PM Post subject: Your Friend
I am sure your friend monitors what is going on in the industry. It effects her. Doesn't she have a right to ask a question. You asked me under what authorty or why I was getting involved.
I think I have answered this question. Several times.
Again, why am I not permitted to recommend an extension? The original author of the bill recommended it. Read the posts.
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Bill Merrell
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Posted: Fri, Sep 2nd, 11:18 PM Post subject: Lively Discssion
Thank you for the lively discussion-
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James Bushart
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Posted: Sat, Sep 3rd, 2:24 PM Post subject: Re: Resume
bmerrell wrote:
I own the firm, New York Inspection Services,
Mr. Merrell,
The New York Department of State has only one business by this name, and it is owned by someone else.
Quote:
NYS Department of State
Division of Corporations
Entity Information
Selected Entity Name: NEW YORK INSPECTION SERVICES CORP.
Selected Entity Status Information Current Entity Name: NEW YORK INSPECTION SERVICES CORP.
Initial DOS Filing Date: DECEMBER 24, 2003
County: NASSAU
Jurisdiction: NEW YORK
Entity Type: DOMESTIC BUSINESS CORPORATION
Current Entity Status: ACTIVE
Selected Entity Address Information DOS Process (Address to which DOS will mail process if accepted on behalf of the entity)
NEW YORK INSPECTION SERVICES CORP.
GREG BALA
2287 LANCASTER AVE
BALDWIN, NEW YORK, 11510
http://appsext5.dos.state.ny.us/corp_public/CORPSEARCH.ENTITY_INFORMATION?p_nameid=2994769&p_corpid=2992568&p_entity_name=%6E%65%77%20%79%6F%72%6B%20%69%6E%73%70%65%63%74%69%6F%6E%20%73%65%72%76%69%63%65%73&p_name_ENGINE=%41& DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1;p_search_ENGINE=%42%45%47%49%4E%53& DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1;p_srch_results_page=0
Additionally, sir, the New York Department of State had no record of any corporation or business entity registered with them by the names of "Appraisal Education Network School", "Merrell Institute", or "Merrell Industries USA". Would you be kind enough to expound upon these entities and how they may be checked?
Also, the school in which you received your doctorate, known as "Western University" has been difficult to identify. The closest I was able to come to is a school that was Western University but is now known as Kennedy-Western University that was founded in 1984. They provide phDs to their students in "as little as 12 months with no class room time". Perhaps you can help with that, too.
http://kw.edu/default.asp
Thanks.
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