Over fusing?

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Originally Posted By: jpope
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Started out bad enough with an FPE and missing knockouts. . .



Then there were these #12 cu connected to 30A breakers. . .



These breakers were actually feeding two 240V outlets in the garage. Follow the blue wires to their connections



How many more defects can you find?

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Originally Posted By: ekartal
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I don’t quite get why the knockouts are considered ‘missing’. I thought that would be the case if there were voids in the panel.



Erol Kartal

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Originally Posted By: hgordon
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Jeff do you mean the Neutral and Ground sharing the same bus VOID of a Main Disconnect?

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Originally Posted By: psabados
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Knock outs missing at the top of the box. Most likely a used panel box to begin with. Look what one can do with a spare box, a few breakers and a length or two of odd wire


Paul

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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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Picture 1 no problem for a HI.


Picures 2 & 3 How is this with-in the scope of a visual inspection?

Do you remove drywall to examine the studs?

Mike P.

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Originally Posted By: jpope
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Pic #1 = unprotected openings in the front cover - most certainly a defect for an HI to report.


Pic #2 & #3 = How is this NOT within our scope? Removing covers is a part of our responsibility when conditions permit.

I was also able to determine that the two 30 amp breakers were actually feeding a 240V circuit. Besides the fact that the circuit is over-fused based on the wire size, the breakers are missing their handle tie.

Neutrals and grounds connected at a "sub" panel (sorry Mike  )

Why would I remove drywall? I don't carry mud, tape and an assortment of paints. I can put a panel cover back on with the screwdriver that I carry with me at all times during an inspection 

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Originally Posted By: kmcmahon
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pics seemed pretty cut and dry to me also Jeff.

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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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Jeff


"I was also able to determine that the two 30 amp breakers were actually feeding a 240V circuit. Besides the fact that the circuit is over-fused based on the wire size"

Was this an AC?

Jeff I know that you and others are competent. That does not take away from the fact that you are performing an electrical inspection.

Removing ANY component is not visual.

I know that I do not California's rules, my statements are from my Ohio respective.

To all do not let the hair raise on the back of your neck. I try to make statements NOT criticisms.

Mike P.

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Originally Posted By: jpope
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No Mike, this was not an A/C. It was to a 240V twist lock located only a few feet away from the panel.


I have always appreciated your participation even when I may not agree with you. No hair stands here. I learn a great deal from the questions posed - especially - in this forum (electrical).

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Originally Posted By: kmcmahon
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Actually, in my state, it says I will remove cover panels normally removed by consumers in maintaining their equipment…so, removing a panel cover is not required, but unless there is clear and present danger, I remove the panel cover to see for myself the quality of wiring to the home.


Sort of like walking a roof…it’s not required, but it’s one of the better ways to really evaluate it.

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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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When HI’s call out that the grounded conductor and the equipment grounding conductor are bonded, what it the reference?


Dance around this all you want but this is giving an expert opinion.

Do you call grounded conductors being used as ungrounded conductors and not being re-identified? This is far more dangerous than the bonding issues raised here.

This Saturday I inspected, electrical only, a home that was hit by lightning. The gas lines were not bonded and caught the home on fire. The home was hit and had the gas-lines (Wardflex) been bonded I doubt if the fire would have started at the gas lines. It happened in the basement. The owners were home. AND he was in the basement when it happened.

Mike P.

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Originally Posted By: James D Mosier
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In the automotive industry those blue wires would be called fused links.


In this appliation they’re called scary.

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Originally Posted By: ekartal
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jpope wrote:

Pic #1 = unprotected openings in the front cover - most certainly a defect for an HI to report.

  for not noticing before my first post . I know it's Electric 101.  

Erol Kartal

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Originally Posted By: jpope
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Glad to have you back in the game Erol

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