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Originally Posted By: pdacey
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This is a new subpanel that is tapped off of the original in the house. Note the cable entering in the top right corner. The black and red wires are connected to a 30 amp double pole breaker. The white is connected to a 20 amp breaker and the ground goes to the bus. Why would this be?


The panel was not labeled, I have no idea what these breakers served in the house.


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Originally Posted By: jpope
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Plain and simple Pat, it’s wired improperly. It looks like someone tried to wire two circuits with that configuration. Possibly a 240 and a 120.


The neutrals are also bonded to the grounds at the bus. It also looks like a three wire feed with no GC. FUBAR

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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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A total guess here but it looks like they are using that 3 wire cable to feed a 240 volt load on the red and black and using the white and bare to feed a 120 volt load.


Whatever the case this needs to be repaired by an electrician.

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Originally Posted By: hgordon
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Yikes!


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Nothing new from me. I agree with Jeff (as usual...gotta stop doing that!)

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Originally Posted By: pdacey
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Thanks guys. I knew it looked wrong but I just wanted to make sure there wasn’t some obscure wiring method I have never seen.



jpope wrote:
The neutrals are also bonded to the grounds at the bus. It also looks like a three wire feed with no GC. FUBAR


Yes and yes. That is also only #12 wire on the 30 amp breakers.

and this is how the panel was fed from the adjacent original sub panel:

[ Image: http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/usrimages/I/IMG_5446.JPG ]


Oh, and the branch circuits were all aluminum wire. ![icon_rolleyes.gif](upload://iqxt7ABYC2TEBomNkCmZARIrQr6.gif)

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Patrick Dacey
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Originally Posted By: hgordon
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Patrick


So are you saying that the main feed is Alum and they has Copper Double tapped onto it?

...it just gets worse doesnt it?

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Originally Posted By: pdacey
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hgordon wrote:
So are you saying that the main feed is Alum and they has Copper Double tapped onto it?

...it just gets worse doesnt it?


Yes, and yes it does.

I could not find what the second (newer) sub panel was feeding in the house. It was bizarre.

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Patrick Dacey
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TREC # 6636
www.southwestinspections.com
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Originally Posted By: rmoore
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Really nasty! Normally I would report that as a “Safety Concern” and “Prompt Repair”, but Jeff has me thinking that I need a new category. Would FUBAR be too unprofessional for a report?

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Richard Moore


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Originally Posted By: jpope
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