Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
A licensing board can’t stop NACHI. National Home Inspection Associations are already defined by law in PA. If the licensing board adds any other requirements or says associations need to have 10 purple widgets, we’ll just go get 10 purple widgets.
The 100 inspection thing is killing ASHI in PA because inspectors in PA can comply with state law by joining NACHI and doing 100. They can't by joining ASHI... with ASHI they have to do 250 to be a full home inspector. ASHI won't make a PA exception to their definition of full inspector. And now with licensing, only a few idiots will stay with an association that offers nothing but bills.
Originally Posted By: jfarsetta This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Association membership is not the point here.
Nick, with all due respect, I believe that state legislatures DO recognize specific HI orgs, and DO NOT recognize others.
In PA, PHIC has harped that NACHI is non-compliant. Until now, the state has been silent. If we are in posession of as document which states that a NACHI member can get a state license if they pass an exam, then that city agency (and by default, city lawmakers and administration) officially recognize NACHI as complying with state law. Once we have that document in our hands, a precedent has been set, and benchmarked. No more interpretations, no more opinions, no more heresay.
-- Joe Farsetta
Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."
Originally Posted By: khamilton This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
I am all for keeping people who don’t know what they’re looking at from being a danger to the public. Maybe someone starting out from H.S. or transitioning from a completely unrelated field could definitely benefit from being in on a certain number of inspections.
The 100 inspection requirement would probably preclude me from getting into the HI business. I have been trying for 2-3 months to get a ride along and haven't got the first one yet. How in the He$$ am I supposed to get 100 of em?
I would like to see the requirements changed to allow for for experience in a related field.
I was a licensed contractor in Maryland for many years. Anyone familiar with the kingdom of maryland knows how many hoops one has to jump through to get a contractor's license there.
PA currently has no program to license remodeling contractors...you got a hammer & a saw, you're a contractor....but that's a whole other issue.
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Joe: I’d prefer that PA “stay silent” as you say. It is much better if states all take a lead from PA and make laws that are not association-specific but rather clearly define what they mean by national association. PA’s system is much more fair.
Where does PA recognize any particular national association? Show me the web site and I'll buy you a car.
PHIC is not a government agency... but about a dozen slandering fools who will be homeless. They have less members total than joined NACHI before lunch today.
Originally Posted By: khamilton This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Thanks Joe, but that’s my point…I’m about 5 hours south of you…how am I supposed to do that a hundred times???
I think you have a good point, too:
"PP 7502.2 Powers and Duties of the Board:
(4) Establish and maintain a current list of national home inspectors associations approved by the board as meeting the requirements of this chapter."
Nick says don't worry that NACHI will do whatever we have to do to qualify, but given the "bad blood" between the PHIC and the "other" associations towards us, it seems like there still is much room for the decision to qualify NACHI to be subjective. It's the "approved by the board" thing that could get us.
Hopefully, there will be sufficient unbiased members to offset the inevitable PHIC/ASHI/NAHI representation. You know they'll be there.
Originally Posted By: rwills This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Joe F,
I personally spoke with Paul Danella, an official at the Phila. Licensing office the other day and yes, he assured me that I could get licensed as a member of NACHI but would have to take and show proof of passing the NHIE exam. unfortunately, this was just a phone conversation and not a written document such as Nick and/or Joe H supposedly have.
BTW, anyone have any idea where this bill 928 is standing now? All I could find is that it was introduced in October, 03'!
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
This isn’t Kentucky. The govenor with Senate approval picks the board and they don’t pick from an ASHI submitted list. 5 of the members on the board aren’t even home inspectors and aren’t members of any association. Many of the ASHI members that qualify (over 5 years in business) are already NACHI members. The main point is that the law doesn’t mention any specific association so even if these 11 members said all national associations have to have 10 purple widgets, we’ll go get 20 and all associations will also have to.
BELIEVE ME... If ASHI had any pull in PA... ASHI would be written into this thing on every other line and it would have been 250 inspections (ASHI's full member requirement) NOT 100 inspections (NACHI's).
The only slight reference to any association lies in the "100 inspection" which is an indirect reference to NACHI.
Originally Posted By: rwills This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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Philadelphia will recognize the NACHI Organization and provide Members licenses with validation of a passing grade on the NHIE.
Joe, I already knew that! as I stated above, I spoke with him also a few days ago and he confirmed that. My point was that it was a phone conversation and not a concrete document from him.
The other question was if anyone knew where the Senate bill 928 stands as of now? In other words, when and if it may likely be passed. I'm trying to get some time frame as to when these licensing rules might take effect. Thanks.
Originally Posted By: jfarsetta This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Let’s scan and post that faxed document.
Nick,
PA may not recognize a particular HI organization, but Philly does.
As to other states, ASHI and NAHI are written into the existing or proposed legislation in more states than I can remember. So, States DO recognize HI orgs.
-- Joe Farsetta
Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."
Originally Posted By: dbowers This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Guys -
Help me understand what everyone is talking about. The NHIE exam is a Rose By Any Other Name. Everybody knows where it came from and whose exam it really is. Its BOD if I remember correctly is 7 ASHI Members and 2 public members. Its XO was moved over from ASHI. Their office is in ASHI HQ. The NHIE is now recognized or mandated for licensing in what - about 10 or more states. The ASHI Standards are recognized or required in at least 6-8 licensed states that come to mind.
So please explain to me what you're worried about. Its all on track.
Originally Posted By: jremas This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Kip, I am with Joe Hagarty on is assessment of 100 direct supervised inspections. You will have to do ride alongs or work for someone else. This is the PA law as written, not opinion. Because of this law, it is VERY hard to become a HI in PA right now. This is where PHIC stepped in an tried to capitalize on the new 2001 law with their mentoring program.
I still do not believe that the NACHI inspection review committee meets the law as written. Whoever signs your report is taking responsibility for the inspection and I don't know who is willing to do that, who is actually signing the report at NACHI or if NACHI has insurance to cover the liability.
It sucks but that is the way it is in this state. The licensing issue now introduced needs to be carefully watched AND we need to get involved with it ASAP. This will probably turn into more hurdles for those who want to enter the business in PA.
BTW, getting into the business is hard enough, making it work and lasting is even harder. We will see what happens as the mortgage interest rates start to climb...
IMHO
--
Jeff Remas
REMAS Inspections, Inc.
Northeastern PA & the Poconos
www.NEPAinspector.com
Originally Posted By: jfarsetta This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Why are we now saying if we have to have a law, this is the one we LIKE? Since when does this org agree with licensing which impacts a person’s livlihood, or puts members out of business?
I'd still like to see that letter posted. Do we have it, or what. Ler's show that we were and are recognized by a municipality. Put the fax up. No more interpretation.
If nothing else, PA members wishing to get licensed in Philly will have a copy of a letter which recognizes this org, which they can send a copy of with their application and check.
What are we waiting for?
-- Joe Farsetta
Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."
…you asked Nick hehe…opps forgot…you gave up esp just kiddin Nick…