Originally Posted By: Mark Anderson
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JM, a real estate attorney whom you took classes from who had been around the block once er twice made the following statement"if a basement is leaking,studies have shown that 90% of the time the leak can be fixed by simply correcting the grading & making sure the gutters & downspouts are working properly to get rainwater away from foundation".
Let`s examine this a lil more closely ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ... 1)you stated that a real estate attorney who teaches classes...... Not exactly a basement waterproofing/structural repair person/owner who has actual experience & hands on knowledge by doing the work AND guarantees the work over extended period of time......2)this real estate atty/teacher makes the following statement to his class that Supposedly Some Studies show "90% of the time a leak in a basement can be fixed by simply correcting grade/gutters etc".....i would sure like to see these supposed studies and WHO supposedly did the studies and HOW these studies were carried out.
Some of you are missing the Most Important points i`ve been patiently `n honestly trying to make.
Your simply going to agree with some supposed study(s) that a real estate atty/teacher says is true???
That because some study-statement(s) is in ink/printed or on some web site that it HAS to be true? It must be true? Bllllchtt ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)
You`d rather rely on this? You`d rather NOT question whether this is actaully true? Your taking what someone who is evidently not in the business and has no 1st hand knowledge is the Final Word and You actually pass this same stuff on to all homeowners??
So that means you think i`m on here posting bllshtt? Why? For attention? ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)
I`ll say this again.....Anytime i receive calls from homeowners who have leaks/seepage and were told/recommended by HI-SE that by raising grade/fixing gutters is 90% of peoples problem and would most likely fix theirs i not only tell them they were just fed a line of crap-myth-misinformation...i will go over and SHOW them why `n how water is entering.
Some of you state Exactly what G Haege states!!!!
Another who has No-Hands-on knowledge but" Thinks" he does. And the REAL problem is this stuff keeps getting shuffled around because you & Haege `n many others are passing misinformation on to"Unsuspecting" homeowners...without ANY hands on knowledge.
To make statements like"Oh, i raised the grade at my Mom`s and now she doesnt leak" or "I recommended extending the downspouts to seller and now they dont leak"doesnt mean diddley if you actually do not follow up over long time with these homeowners,people. After recommending this stuff...Do YOU call these people back,say after,,3,4,5-10 years and ask them if they have had any water in the basement since your recommendation...Be Honest!!!!! I highly highly doubt that you do, so then you Really do not know the true outcome of whether the grade-gutter stuff was all that was needed or that the new
homeowner needed tuckpointing,caulking,a certain section of bsmt wall waterproofed etc.
I`m going to tell you that quite a few of these homeowners who recently bought a home and found they indeed did have a problem..do not want to screw around and go after an HI or SE who provided bad-misinformation. If/when they call me they are beginning to Change that tune! They simply want their leak fixed...correctly & finally. They tell me they dont want to waste time going after $300-400, if they have to screw around `n blow time to get things right, they`d rather go after seller. I say go after Both.
Again i`ll ask HI`s...many of you state that you do inspect the foundation,the basement walls. That its part of the inspection They are paying for and you are charging and that you also state is 'Very important'. If this is true, then when the basement is finished..drywall-paneling, then how do you know whats behind it if you/the seller doesnt take the time and effort to take it down? NO way you/they know what shape the basement wall is in,no way you know for sure if there is bowing/buckling/cracks/ etc. Right...you fluff it off `n say something like"We cannot fully examine-inspect foundation etc..." and prolly add that seller should consult an SE.
And i say fine, thats fine...if the seller doesnt want to REALLY know what shape the walls are in then thats on them, but maybe you should state that on your inspection. Something like...only way to fully inspect bsmt walls is to actually see/view them and homeowner is unwilling to take down paneling etc....wouldbt something like that in print keep yer azz off the foundation-hook?
Then when i go on these calls/estimates i`m not going to shtt on you, but the seller because they were willing to take the chance that the bsmt walls were fine. But when they arent & there are crack(s) bowing/buckling etc....in NO way should the new owner of a home be forced to pay for something that was left there..a Pre-exising problem before the actual sale of house which should have been fixed..correctly!
Over `n over,year after year and now...decade after decade i hear this from many homeowners"We were told to raise the grade" "We were told to extend the downspouts"...and that these measures and others would fix their leaks in basement. Well...if these means really did work, then why do i keep hearing and seeing this does NOT work at all. Again, the real reason all these people were leaking,90%+, was because they needed 1 or more of the following...some basement waterproofing,tucking,caulking,flashing tarred,new windows,block up existing vents-screens in new block bsmt windows.
I`ll bet that maybe some of you....maybe, will call back after 6 months or 1 year(let alone 3,5,10 yrs.....do you? Because if you call back say one time in first 6 months or so, thats Hardly Any Factual evidence that your recommendations to raise grade/gutters actually corrected the true problems, to me it means Nothing. Thats no kind of decent long term period to base true facts on, not in this business! And some of you may not call at all, or will call and ask the new owner how they are doing in first 1-2 months, even a shorter period of time to truly know if these recommdations worked.
And lets say that you did raise the grade/fixed gutters etc at your Mom`s or friends and that since then they havent had water in basement. Well..since when, how long has it been? Has it been 1--10 years? And maybe just maybe(this has happ`d alot) you heard that raising the grade would solve the problem..so you did, but in the meantime decided to replace a basement window or 2 or had some tuckpointing done.
Unknowingly...the problem all along was a basement window or tuckpointing yet some think nothing of that and think they fixed their problem by'simply raising the grade'. I give ya this....there are a FEW times where if a homeowner is leaking in 1 area in basement which actually has a thin/hairline crack in the wall(which is what they need to fix but dont) and IF they are lucky enough to have 'sand' against their walls that was used as backfill then a FEW times they will be lucky enough to add some top soil right on the outside on the leak/crack and it can divert enough water away from...the thin/hairline crack....for awhile.....but if that cracks pops open just a tad,ya best believe its going to leak. Also if that top soil which was added prior to sale of home washes away from immediate area during the transfer of homeowners ,yup,gonna leak and guess who is liable?
Many of you continue classes `n learning all you can, yet some refuse to give 1 lousy inch and stop `n think for a little while what i`m saying/explaining. Some Hi`s here do Get-It.....Thank God for that!
The Real reasons basements leak