QOD for 5/06/05 (attics)

Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Hi to all,

here's todays question

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Gerry


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Originally Posted By: jrooff
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Roof heathing? how the ell would I know. icon_lol.gif



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Originally Posted By: dbowers
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Its clearly obvious the heathing glue was applied when it was under 31 degrees outside causing the funny granular pattern on the underside of the heathing.


Originally Posted By: roconnor
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Hmmmm … seems like there may be three correct answers to this heathing question … eusa_shifty.gif



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Originally Posted By: lfranklin
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What are H clips for? Are they required?


Originally Posted By: scieslewicz
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Hi Larry,


H clips are metal clips that look like an "H". They're used for spacing the sheathing so that the sheathing may expand and contract. Are they required? Good question....the IRC talks about them briefly. I just look for them and if they're not installed (which is rarely), I ask for specs on the sheathing.

Next time you're in a newer house attic look up and you'll probably see them.

Take care,
Sue


Originally Posted By: jquinn
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lfranklin wrote:
What are H clips for? Are they required?


H clips is short for Heathing clips. ![icon_razz.gif](upload://rytL63tLPMQHkufGmMVcuHnsuWJ.gif) ![icon_razz.gif](upload://rytL63tLPMQHkufGmMVcuHnsuWJ.gif)


Originally Posted By: jquinn
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scieslewicz wrote:
Hi Larry,

H clips are metal clips that look like an "H". They're used for spacing the sheathing so that the sheathing may expand and contract. Are they required? Good question....the IRC talks about them briefly. I just look for them and if they're not installed (which is rarely), I ask for specs on the sheathing.

Next time you're in a newer house attic look up and you'll probably see them.

Take care,
Sue


While spacing the sheathing for expansion is good practice, H clips primary purpose is to support sheathing at joints between rafters/trusses. In my area for example, they are required between trusses which are spaced 24" apart, but not for rafters which are spaced 16" apart. Thickness of sheathing also plays into whether they are required as well.

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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James,


Excellent post and explanation for those unfamiliar with the product and its application. Thank you.


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Originally Posted By: lfranklin
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Agree that they are a good building practice.


Where can it be found that they are required other than a local code?


Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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There may also be other issues but this is the biggie ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)

For more information on panel markings please visit :

http://www.apa-europe.org/Languages/English/Plywood/ProductInfo/trademarkguide.php

Regards

Gerry


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Originally Posted By: roconnor
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gbeaumont wrote:
The best available answer to this question is: ... H clips are missing

Hmmmmm ... really ... ![eusa_think.gif](upload://lNFeGuTetUAtwNVgUSOuUzgrGGK.gif)

Now if the rafters were spaced closer together, or thicker OSB used, would the missing H-clips really be an issue?

(Hint ... see IRC R803.2.2 or the APA standards, which have different span ratings for panels both with and without edge support ... blocking, T&G sheathing, or H-clips ... )

Couldn't resist mate ...


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Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Yeah I knewI was gonna be hearing it icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif


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Originally Posted By: jquinn
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roconnor wrote:
gbeaumont wrote:
The best available answer to this question is: ... H clips are missing

Hmmmmm ... really ... ![eusa_think.gif](upload://lNFeGuTetUAtwNVgUSOuUzgrGGK.gif)

Now if the rafters were spaced closer together, or thicker OSB used, would the missing H-clips really be an issue?



Since the rafters in Gerry's question are not closer together...and since thicker OSB was not used...and while were at it, since this is not a concrete roof deck...I think I'll agree with Gerry's answer on this one.

Oh, Oh, Oh.... what if vinyl siding was on the house instead of hardboard ??

Have a G'Day....Mate.


Originally Posted By: roconnor
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Just from the photo, it looks like the OSB sheathing may be too thin anyway.



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Originally Posted By: dedwards
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Don’t know about anywhere else but in my neck of the woods the printed side of the OSB panels has to be down so the code inspectors can read the specs and see if its the right stuff. It might be too thin but I lost my micrometer glasses in the last attic I was in and refused to go back for them. icon_lol.gif


Originally Posted By: wpedley
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I think you’re right Bob. Most manufactures spray paint the outside of the heathing different colors to easily identify the thickness.


Green is usually 3/8 and blue is 7/16. At least around here at the Big Orange ![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif)


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Originally Posted By: lfranklin
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What if they are so many icon_lol.gif


What if that was 96/48 OSB


Not a chance


Originally Posted By: lfranklin
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From that picture I would still go with rafters to far apart. Although H clips is a good building practice.


If the OSB only has a 24/16 rating then the rafter would need to be there not a clip. Can you include H clips for the span?


Originally Posted By: Mark Dudley
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H clips is a good one, but I’d say the sheathing is spaced improperly. That’s a huge gap between them, OSB sheathing is usually stamped ‘sized for spacing’, meaning it is cut short length and width to allow for expansion. The H clips not only serve the purpose of spacing the sheets, but provide some support for the unsupported joint sections.



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