I inspected a General Electric split bus main service panel (1972 home) and a General Electric sub panel installed to the right of this main service panel. The sub panel did not have any neutral wires connected to the neutral bus bar. Although difficult to see, the neutral wires appeared to be connected to the bus bar in the main service panel. (Note that the main service panel also has some aluminum wiring). Comments please.
Ok…the pics are not the best, however the sub-panel appears to have a neutral. But, no neutral branch wires. That’s a big problem. Also, no grounding. Did you have grounded outlets for these branch circuits? Second, I think you are correct about the service panel (a.k.a. main panel) being a split buss bar, however the upper left breakers are pretty small in comparison to the right. Do you have the correct circuit breakers in the panel? Additionally, you have several double taps on the neutral/grounding buss bars. Do you have a true ground in this panel?
Based on these factors, I’d call in an electrician to fix and further evaluate.
The sub panel bond has presumably been achieved through the raceway connection between panels.
The circuits that originate in the sub panel are required to have all conductors terminating within that panel. Additionally, these circuits should not be run back through the service panel (although I don’t believe there’s a “code” to support that preference).
It’s obvious to me the homeowner needed the additional panel for expansion. He/she added the sub panel and extended the ungrounded conductors to that panel, while leaving the neutrals in the service equipment.
This set up needs the attention of a qualified electrician.
Electrically would the circuits run through the same nipple as the feeder conductors be any different than running only two wires to a switch?
“Electrically,” I can see only one condition where this could become an issue, and that would be if the bond were to be lost between panels, but I don’t know enough to answer your specific question regarding feeders and circuits sharing the same raceway.
What say you?
Curious, would that cause a brown out situation to those circuits?
By electrically I meant that there would be no problem with inductive currents because the “supply” and “return” conductors are within the same metal raceway.
Using a metallic raceway as an example, think of a single pole switch fed with a grounded metallic raceway, say EMT with only two conductors in it. There is no induction problem because the currents from supply to the switch and return from the switch cancel each other out.
Ah, I’m always a little baffled by the effects of inductive currents, but I hadn’t even considered that.
I believe that the opposite is true, ungrounded and grounded should be in the same raceway. It’s when they are routed separately that you have problems with inductive currents.
Magnetic fields due to wiring errors
What kinds of errors create these fields? Mainly two types: the grounding of neutrals (or grounded circuit conductors) on the load side of the service disconnect, and the misconnection of neutrals from two branch circuits, usually in a junction box within the building. Both situations violate Code.
How do these connections create high magnetic fields? First a few words about AC magnetic fields. When some electricians hear the words they roll their eyeballs, as if magnetic fields were something weird. However, all the electric power which comes from the utility was created by magnetic fields being forced to move past coils of wire. And all that power is transmitted within transformers across space between coils by means of magnetic fields. Now what is the relation to wiring?
Every electric current in a single conductor creates a magnetic field surrounding it whose strength is directly proportional to the amount of current. If it is a DC current it creates a static magnetic field. If it is an AC current it creates an oscillating magnetic field. This oscillating field is the potent one, because it will induce a current in any conductor within range. **Suppose you have a single conductor inside a metallic conduit. **It will induce a current in the conduit, which will cause heating of the conduit, which in turn may affect the insulation of the conductor. This heating effect is the main reason (but not the only one) why the Code is written so as to prevent magnetic field build up in circuits. The Code does not allow a single conductor in a conduit, or in any circuit (except where heating is the purpose of the circuit).
Fields cancel when wiring is correct: Every circuit has two or more conductors. Let’s take the simplest, where there is just a hot and a neutral (correctly called grounded circuit conductor but allow me to use the common term, neutral). The currents in each are traveling in opposite directions. In AC, when one zigs the other zags. The result is that the magnetic field generated by one is canceled by the other. The very small resultant field generated is due to the fact that the conductors are side by side instead of co-axial but it is too small to be detectable in the building spaces. In the case of three or four wire circuits sharing a neutral the magnetic field situation is the same. The resultant of the magnetic fields of the hot conductors is canceled by the magnetic field of the neutral, which is carrying the resultant return current from the hots.
Effects of separation: So what kind of wiring allows magnetic fields to generate? Any wiring method which allows some or all of the neutral current to separate from its circuit and travel in other paths before joining up again. In other words, when conductors of the same circuit are physically separated. Why are magnetic fields from utility power lines so high? Because the lines are separated, using air for insulation from the high voltage. When they are brought closer together, which may involve being insulated, the magnetic fields are much reduced. Underground cables have minimum fields, not because they are underground, but because the conductors are close together.
An example of separation: A former wiring method which one still sees frequently in cities with older residences, such as San Francisco and Boston, illustrates what happens when conductors are separated. Up until the 1940s it was legal to run the hot and neutral conductors along completely separate paths. This is called knob and tube wiring and when you find it you will always find high magnetic fields. The only solution is replacement with contemporary wiring.
Harmonics: With all the attention given to the high harmonic current buildup on neutrals (particularly the third harmonic, 180 Hz) it may be thought that they can be a cause of net currents. Not so. The problem is overheating of neutrals and transformers, but the triplen harmonics that build up on the neutral due to lack of phase cancellation are balanced by the triplen harmonics on the phases. There will be no net current. However there is an indirect relationship to be aware of. Harmonics mean that there will be higher currents on neutrals. If a wiring error shunts neutral to grounding paths, there will be higher net currents due to more neutral available for shunting. So it becomes even more important to wire correctly in harmonic conditions.
Separation due to wiring error: How does modern wiring produce elevated magnetic fields? It will not if electricians follow the Code requirement that all conductors of a circuit be run together in the same cable, raceway, conduit, cord etc. This includes neutrals and equipment grounding conductors. (NEC 300-3(b)). The second requirement is that no neutral be connected to grounding paths on the load side of the service disconnect. (NEC 250-24(a)(5). Let’s take this situation first.
Suppose an electrician has bonded the neutral bus in a subpanel to the box, or simply neglected to unscrew the bonding screw supplied with the box in case it was to be used as a service entrance box. Neutral current on the bus now has two or more paths to get back to the service point: through the neutral of the feed, through the grounding conductor of the feed, through any conduits connecting to the box as well as any metallic pipes, vents, building steel touching the conduits or the box, and to individual equipment grounding conductors of circuits which happen to serve appliances using water pipes, such as washers or sink disposal units.
Now every single path is carrying current with its magnetic field. And the panel feed is generating the strongest magnetic field because of the unbalance caused by missing neutral which is traveling in the other paths. When part of the current flow in a cable is missing, we refer to this as “net current”. The net current, which can be either missing current or excess current, acts the same way as a single conductor running alone and carrying that amount of current. For instance, if the hot of a feed is carrying 30 amps and the neutral is carrying only 20 amps due to the rest going on grounding paths, the net current is 10 amps. This 10 amps is usually flowing on a pipe or building steel, or it may have split up and is flowing on all of the above plus conduits. We use the term “net current” to refer to these currents also.
10 amps will generate a magnetic field that may cause computer monitors to jitter within 12 feet of the circuit all along its run. An instrument like an electron microscope would be affected if within 60 feet of that circuit!
Relation of net current to magnetic field strength: The magnetic field at 1 meter (39”) from a net current source is twice the current. Four amps net current produces 8 mG at 1 meter. If you can’t directly measure current, such as in a building column, put your gaussmeter one meter away and divide by two to get the net current. If you want to know in feet, multiply the net current by 6.56 to get the magnetic field at one foot. At 5 feet it is 6.56 times the net current divided by 5.
Paralleled neutrals: There is a second way neutral current can be diverted from its circuit and thereby create a net current run. Suppose you have two circuits going out from a panel. Maybe one supplies one group of lights and the other, traveling on the other side of the rooms, supplies another group of lights. Perhaps near the end of the runs the two circuits share a junction box. One feeds one load, the other feeds a second load. Within the junction box the electrician has brought all the neutrals together and used one large wire nut. Now what happens to the neutral current returning from one load? Since it is now connected to the neutrals of both branch circuits it splits and part goes back on each. Since loads are usually unequal and not necessarily energized at the same times, one branch circuit will be carrying too little neutral and the other too much. Both will generate the same net current and its magnetic field. Strange to say, this is the single most common cause of net current magnetic fields in buildings, particularly commercial buildings and schools with their extensive lighting circuits.
Code says no: Many electricians have not thought through this “one big wire nut” connection. They may not be aware of 300-3(b) or they may think that because the physical conductors of each circuit all run together there is no violation. Though one can show that the connecting of all neutrals makes it a split circuit where all conductors do not run together, it is simpler to cite the prohibition against paralleling any conductors under 1/0 size (NEC 310-4). When two neutrals are connected in a junction box and at the panel bus, they are paralleled. Another reason I have heard more than once is “since all the neutrals are joined at the bus, why not here too?” The joining of neutral and ground anywhere is given the same justification: if at the service entrance point, why not here too? The reasons, put simply, are danger of fire and shock. The electrician needs to understand enough basic theory to be able to figure out why the Code requires these separations.
There are other more gross errors which can create high fields. A hot may be used from one circuit to supply a new load, and a neutral pulled from another circuit, or even a circuit from another panel. In this case the net current is at a maximum, with no cancellation at all between conductors. Sometimes accidental joining of neutral and ground is at fault, such as running conductors into fluorescent lights without a bushing, so that the sharp metal cuts into the neutral insulation and shorts it to ground. Sometimes a carpenter’s nail does the trick. At times it is deliberate. A ground may have been used for a missing or bad neutral.
3-way switch wiring: Another common net current situation is set up by incorrect 3-way wiring circuits. When the electrician tries to use two-conductor travelers instead of three, he sets up quite a magnetic field in the room. Essentially, he is using a hot from one junction box to run to one switch and he picks up a neutral from a circuit near the second switch. The result is that the traveler carries only one current at any time, with no canceling current, so the magnetic field is at a maximum. The violation of 300-3(b) is clear when you consider the circuits supplying the 3-way section. One run contains the hot with no returning neutral. The other contains the neutral current but no balancing hot. The simple principle to follow is to make sure that in all parts of the circuit at any time there will be two equal and opposite currents flowing. You can’t achieve that with two-conductor travelers. The only cure is to replace the traveler with a 3-conductor cable and be sure you get your hot and neutral from the same point. Check out 3-way circuit diagrams in books like the NEC Handbook.
Grounding the neutral in dryers and ranges A surprisingly common source of neutral on grounding paths was seen by the author in some residential housing for low income groups including the elderly. The multiple dryers in the laundry room were installed as delivered by the manufacturer without following the procedure in the installation manual. These dryers are routinely delivered with the neutral bus bonded to the case. The instructions for use with four-pronged plugs, which are standard now, tell the installer to remove the green and white bonding wire from the case and attach it to the neutral bus. The instructions are confusing, but what this does is to return the bonding conductor to the same bus it originated from, which is the same as removing it. In any case, the installers sometimes either ignore this instruction or else they think it is asking them to bond the case to the neutral, which a fast reading might give them, so they do nothing.
The result is high-current neutrals bonded to cases which may be connected to each other and to the washers by way of floor rails. In any case, I have seen high currents on water pipes all the way through the building from the laundry rooms to the service entrance rooms, causing elevated fields all along the way. This may not be the electrician’s responsibility, but all he has to do to check on the installation is to remove one plug and test for continuity between neutral and ground on the plug. If continuity, then the bond must be removed in each dryer. NEC no longer allows this bond. This also applies to electric ranges.
Neutral on water pipes A client may call you in because he/she has detected a strong magnetic field from the water service pipe as well as the service drop. Usually this is noticeable only when the water service comes in at one end of the building and the electrical at the other. If the water service is metallic, the required grounding to the pipe may allow some of the neutral current which should be going back on the service drop to instead flow through the pipe where it completes the circuit to the transformer by way of a neighbor’s house and their service neutral. This will occur when one service drop neutral has a cleaner connection than the other. Current may then see a lower impedance path to the transformer by way of the water pipe to the neighbor’s neutral. The net currents set up run through both houses and under the street where kids may play. An identical net current is set up in the service drop, which now is missing some of its balancing neutral. There have been cases where the service drop runs right outside a child’s bedroom, causing high fields in the room. Magnetic fields penetrate most materials without weakening.
The most straightforward solution to this situation is to advise the client to have a plumber insert a dielectric union or a plastic section in the water service pipe at least 10’ outside the building foundation. Since a water pipe qualifies as a grounding electrode if at least 10’ is in contact with the soil, this does not change the grounding situation as to Code. Sometimes electricians are reluctant to advise any change in local grounding electrodes, and may get quite excited about it, but I have found this is usually because they have the misconception that local grounding electrodes are what allow fault currents to trip breakers. Actually, as the fpn notes tell you in the Code, it is the bonding to the service neutral that allows breakers to trip, not the connection to local earth, which usually has too high an impedance to allow even a 15 amp breaker to trip, let alone trip fast enough to prevent fire or shock.
On the other hand, allowing many amps of neutral current to flow on the public water system is a danger to the water company workers and can result in lethal conditions. The American Water Works Association has been making this point for some time. Whenever I advise this plumbing change I tell the client to ask the utility to come and check the condition of their service neutral connections, both at the house and at the pole or pad-mounted transformer. If the neutral connection is bad it will set up a higher voltage on one hot leg and a lower voltage on the other. Either can damage motors and other loads.
Long service laterals inside commercial buildings When the service entrance point is well inside a building with high loads, such as a high rise office building, a possibility exists to set up such high magnetic fields that office space has to be abandoned until the fields are brought down. This results from the design of the installation, but it is the electrician who has to deal with the problem. At the service entrance neutral and ground are bonded. If this point is well inside a building, part of the neutral going back to the transformer may go back on metallic paths such as building steel and pipes and conduits of all kinds. This sets up net current in the service lateral, due to missing neutral, as well as in the metallic pathways.
Example: In a high rise in Boston I found 20 amps of net current coming from a steel beam which paralleled the service lateral. The beam, which ran under the floor above, was producing about 60 mG at computer level in the office above, which had been abandoned because of the computer monitor jitter. I found that the 20 amps was traveling from the service panel on a circuit conduit until it came to a hanger which was attached to the beam. It then followed the beam out to the transformer where it got back to the transformer grounded neutral point. The solution was simple: Where the hanger circled the conduit a piece of rubber insulation was put in so the conduit did not touch the metal hanger. With this alternate pathway cut off, no current flowed in the conduit or the beam.
Paralleled runs: Another cause of net currents when the service is well inside the building arises when paralleled service laterals are used instead of one large cable. Unless the impedances of each set of phases (all A’s, for instance) is equal, and that of the neutrals is also equal, net currents will be set up, since the neutral running in each cable will not necessarily balance the phases in that cable. Since the impedance can be most influenced by connector tightness or corrosion, it is important to tighten them carefully. The cables, of course, are required to be the same length, material, etc. See NEC 310-4. It also helps to run the paralleled cables as close together as allowed.
Magnetic fields from appliances and transformers Transformers generate high magnetic fields because the magnetic field increases with every turn of the transformer coils. On the other hand, because they are discrete sources their magnetic field weakens fast, with the cube of the distance. In other words, as you double your distance from the transformer you cut the field to one eighth. This compares with a net current from a line source, where by doubling your distance the field is cut to just one half. This is a direct relation with distance. Utility power lines without net current are in the middle, weakening as the square of the distance. Double the distance and cut the field to one fourth.
For this reason, residential transformers are usually not close enough to have a measurable effect at the house, or even at the ground. Pad mounted transformers do have locally high fields, which is why schools are fencing them in. They make convenient and warm objects to sit on, but the field at the case is extremely high.
A transformer in a commercial building may be close enough to office space to produce a high field area. Usually service entrance cabinets also generate fields, since large busses have enough separation to cause high fields locally. Also the bus duct runs in high rise buildings may generate high fields locally, weakening with the square of the distance like power lines. In these cases the electrician needs to check whether net currents are involved, such as due to water pipe grounding or if the service entrance point is well inside the building and the neutral return paths to the transformer are divided between the neutral conductor and perhaps conduits, water pipes and building steel, etc.
Shielding: Net current fields cannot be shielded. I work with a shielding company which would be quite happy to solve these problems with shielding, but they call me in to eliminate the net currents so they can go to work on the massive balanced current sources.
Where no net currents are found, or found and corrected, the remaining field from internal transformers or busses may have to be shielded. This is done by a shielding company and involves heavy sheets of specialized ferrous metals to absorb fields as well as a sandwich also using thick sheets of aluminum to dissipate energy through eddy current losses. Lead is useless. Sometimes an active counter-current loop is set up, but this is tricky and seldom used. A counter current could be used to cancel a net current, but since the other half of the loop generates a net current, this is seldom useful.
Jeff, for the purpose of debate, can you show where the NEC requires all circuits to originate in the same panel?
Side note, if nonmetallic methods are used all conductors do not need to be contained in the same raceway.
Just wondering if you could provide the source for this material? The code format is more than 15 years old.
Off hand, no I can’t.
This was something that stuck with me from years ago, and without doing some research I can’t say whether this was a single reference or something extrapolated from several references.
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One of the pitfalls of doing internet research. You don’t always know whether material is outdated. I thought this was basic enough to be true. No?
Since the material wasn’t quoted and there was no link when I first saw the post I thought that you had written it. Then when I saw the old NEC format using a hyphen instead of a period I assmued that was mistaken.
Nope, not me, Karl Riley on Mike Holt’s site. Still correct?
Since Mike Holt re-posted it I would assume that he perused it and that it’s all correct. I did read some of it and it looks like a good resource.
Agreed. Always good to give reference credit when cut and pastes are applied.