Sub Panel Bonded or No?

Originally Posted By: sramos
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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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sramos wrote:
Does the neutral bus contact the panel behind the main bar?


No, it is isolated from the enclosure. BUT it sure looks like some of those ground conductors are contacting the left side neutral terminal bar.


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Originally Posted By: tallen
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4 grounds and 10 Nuetrals?



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30 Oct 2003-- 29 Nov2005

Originally Posted By: lfranklin
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I agree with Jerry with the ground conductors looking like they are contacting the left side neutral terminal bar.


Now where do these grounds connect too, I can't see.


Originally Posted By: rmoore
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Looks like conduit grounding for a lot of the circuits Todd.


Who would mount the grounding bar there? Scary looking.


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Originally Posted By: sramos
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I am already recommending further inspection by a specialist because of a rusted 20 AMP breaker in the main panel. Any other suggestions?



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Originally Posted By: tallen
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Might be conduit, but it is still NM cable w/ ground what did they do with the ground wire?



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30 Oct 2003-- 29 Nov2005

Originally Posted By: sramos
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Ground wire was copper and terminated to a grounding rod buried in the soil just in front of the main panel.



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Originally Posted By: tallen
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I mean what did they do with the ground wire suplied with the NM cable?? Is it cut ?


Does it matter?



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Originally Posted By: sramos
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Not sure. It wasn’t visible. I did check each of the outlets and most of them are coming up “open ground”.



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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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Steve,


The closer view looks like those ground conductors might be okay over on the left side.

The ground terminal bar is not as dangerous there as one would first suspect. What is the FIRST thing to be connected? Hots? Neutrals? Grounds? The grounds should be connected first. Thus, they will be connected before any breakers are installed, making that area wide open (relatively speaking).

Of course, anyone working on the panel LATER will wish the ground terminal bar was located elsewhere.


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Originally Posted By: dbozek
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I’m a bit ole and the eyes seem to fail but it surely looks like there is a green bonding screw on the buss bar to the left, which also connects a bar to the other buss bar on the right. With neutrals on both bars even! Very interesting…for a subpanel…for the grounds should be separated from the neutrals and the neutral bar should not be bonded to the enclosure. However, the ground bar must be bonded to the enclosure. If ya ask me…this panel is wired wrong…but then what do I know icon_lol.gif



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Originally Posted By: dbozek
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After further inspection I’d say that screw on the top of the left buss is a bonding screw. I would have to be up closer though to verify that. I am just comparing it to the buss on the right…something does not seem kosher there. I agree with Jerry that the location of the ground bar is a bit hairy…but then that is why all my screwdrivers are taped icon_eek.gif



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