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Originally Posted By: Scott Patterson
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I am just curious as to what the problem is with the advertising?
Can you post a sample of the ad’s?
What is making the ad’s unfair?
Are the ad’s just unfair or are they untrue?
The individual chapters of ASHI are all individually incorporated and as far as I know and have read, the agreement was just between NACHI and ASHI National and not the chapters. The 85+ chapters were not named in it. But again, I don't know what the ad's have said so I don't have any idea if the are untrue.
Are you saying that the charging of a fee for a person to take up your time and for you to teach and learn from you and then to go into direct competition is wrong? I don't mind letting people do a ride-a-long or two but, I am not going to train anyone for free. Regardless of a persons affiliation.
Are the problems with the BTR already written into the state law?
Has the board already been selected by the Governor?
Are there any NACHI members that meet the qualifications to sit on the BTR board?
Just some questions and thoughts that I have. I do sit on our states home inspector regulatory board and I must tell you that once things become law or they are a statute it takes time to get those changes made through the legislative process.
Please try to answer the questions I have posed, as I would like to see the problems and try to understand what is happing.
Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Scott,
Being from the other side of the argument, your views are naturally clouded. The truth is that licensing is an ASHI dominated venture, invented by ASHI, pushed by ASHI, and administrated by ASHI.
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Joe Farsetta
Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."
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Originally Posted By: tallen
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This is going to be very interesting.Originally Posted By: tallen
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here is the web site to view one of the ASHI ads pg.35
http://www.asreb.com/journal/documents/web_pages.pdf
enjoy
Originally Posted By: Scott Patterson
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Wow, all I did was ask some questions and you are already to sick the low life attorney’s onto me and everyone else. Have you never heard that the only ones that win a lawsuit are the attorneys.
As for the ads, I do not have access to them. I do not live in Arizona!
So please post one so we can all see it!! I live almost 1000 miles away. I guess I was not clear in my post, a lesson for the future I guess.
I would hope that you would have some respect for your volunteer board, instead of telling them to contact their attorney. Your states attorney generals office will represent them most likely. If you have never been involved in a lawsuit against a state agency, you need to get ready for the long haul, you need to also find out if you can in fact bring a lawsuit against a state agency, in many states it is not allowed.
As for ASHI creating the law that you have in your state, you are wrong. Your state legislators created the law that you are working under, you need to be contacting them as they will be the ones that will need to make the change. The local ASHI members most likely had a lot of input as there was know body else apparently doing anything at the time this was legislation was being crafted. I might ask, where were you or other members of your origination? You have to be involved.
I really could care less who or what origination had the initial impact with any legislation as long it is a good law. Yes I belong to ASHI, but this is what I have decided is best for me. I don't think that any origination should be named in any legislation much less any license law. I think we can all agree on this if not anything else.
As for advertising, I thought this was a free country. What happened to the first amendment? If the advertising that is being done by a group of individuals is hurting your business, I would say that the ads are doing their job. You need to develop your own advertising campaign instead of running to the courthouse!
Originally Posted By: Scott Patterson
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Thanks for posting the link. It is on page 35.
What is wrong with the ad? This is apparently a letter from a Realtor. No lies are being told, no promises are being made, no other originations names are mentioned.
How can you say that this is an attack against NACHI? It is a fairly good ad designed by an advertising agency.
Please point out the parts of this ad that are disparaging to NACHI. I have looked and I can't find a word about NACHI, NAHI, SPIREA, IHIA or any other group.
Originally Posted By: tgardner
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Seems to me that ol’ Merry doesn’t want a thorough inspection. She wants a client for the life of the transaction. If a good inspection shows her client what kind of crap she’s been touting to them she loses them for life. Must be a deaniac.
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Originally Posted By: tallen
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It seems to me that it is saying that any ASHI Inspector is better at there job than any non-ASHI Inspector. This seems a little misleading as I am sure there is at least 1 non-ASHI member that is just as capable as at least 1 ASHI member
Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Scott,
All the same BS from you guys. I love the "legislators passed the law" line. Truth be known is that there is NO rush to legislate HIs. This artificial need for legislation was dreamt up by ASHI, is perpetuated by ASHI, and is controlled by ASHI. It's so convenient that ASHI whips out its "model" legislation and pushes it under the noses of the legislature.
Unfortunately, by the time the legislature figures out that they have screwed the consumer, its too late. Changing existing law is a daunting task. ASHI banks on this.
But, legislation CAN be undone. As to the content of the ad, it's inflamatory and swipes at every non-ASHI affilliated home inspector as being somehow sub-standard. The realtor didn't craft this ad; ASHI did.
Stop kidding a kidder. As to low-life attorneys, why not lump the lobbiests ASHI hires to push this garbage, into the same mix. Sleep with dogs, and wake up with fleas, Scott.
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Joe Farsetta
Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."
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Originally Posted By: dbowers
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I thought it was a very tasteful ad and well put together - the only bad thing is if you’re not a part of the Arizona ASHI Group.
If NACHI, or NAHI or CREIA had done it, the other guys would be pissed that they didn't think of it first.
Scott was right about 1 thing and every NEW guy or Gal needs to hear and understand something real clearly - Old guys don't owe you squat. We're not your mother or father and we're not out here to raise and train you (unless you're working for us). When we take you out as a FAVOR to you, we're in many cases cutting our own throats - business wise.
If you want the training pay for it - or don't, but don't expect us to help you take away our business or our clientele. In many areas we're choking to death on newbies. Many of us will let a new guy ride once. Thats all.
Dan Bowers
P.S. If you think that AD is bad, wait till the ASHI Branding Program hits!
Originally Posted By: mcraig
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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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There are several legal initiatives aimed directly at ASHI at this time. These upcoming suits range from restraint of trade, to libel.
Some big guns are coming to town. ASHI shouldnt count their eggs before they hatch. Their actions and rampant manipulations of the legislative process on a state by state basis, where they conveniently put themselves in the driver seat, whilst pissing on the rest of the HI community will suremy raise the eyebrows of some legal eagles with regard to the application of Sherman Anti-trust laws. This business of hiding behind individual state's chapters control is a veil that ASHI national will neot be able to hide behind for long. Same goes for their not-for-profit status, I suspect.
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Joe Farsetta
Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."
Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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Michael:
I do not see what you are claiming within the advertisement. It appears to be a testimonial type and only One RE Agent's opinion.
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Joseph Hagarty
HouseMaster / Main Line, PA
joseph.hagarty@housemaster.com
www.householdinspector.com
Phone: 610-399-9864
Fax : 610-399-9865
HouseMaster. Home inspections. Done right.
Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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| mcraig wrote: |
| I wasn't kidding watch what you write here it is being monitored unless you are a head man at ASHI your comments will not be liked by your own legal dept. you are making coments that can affect legal litigation here . I am trying to be more fair than ASCHI has been to anyone else. Talk to a lawyer befor you mouth off here be certain you are qualified to speak on behalf of ASHI. I have the Blessing to represent NACHI I am being careful with what I post If you are not some one in power . You are hurting your cause and giving me more ammunition. this is the last time I will tell you this so if you want give off oppinions that are not expressed by ASHI go ahead you guys will make me rich.
Bring it on ASHI I love this give me more ammo.... |
Please reread my post. I am not an ASHI Member.
I am not aware of this being a sanctioned endeavor on the part of NACHI. feel free to forward me whatever you have that substantiates your claim.
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Joseph Hagarty
HouseMaster / Main Line, PA
joseph.hagarty@housemaster.com
www.householdinspector.com
Phone: 610-399-9864
Fax : 610-399-9865
HouseMaster. Home inspections. Done right.
Originally Posted By: mcraig
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Joe I just sent you an Email about who autherized this Nick did this morning.
Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Joe H,
I dont think Michael was referring to you. I think he may have been aiming at Dan Bowers, another NACHI member, caught in the crossfire.
I agree with your assessment of the ad. I dont like it, and I believe ASHI wrote and choreographed it, but is does appear as the opinion of a sole agent. Clever, yes... but it's still misleading.
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Joe Farsetta
Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."
Originally Posted By: dbowers
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To Scott, Joe and Joseph:
I pulled up the AD and I agree with whoever said it was clever - it is.
I've run ads that had a similar message. About 4 years ago, I put together an AD that said in BIG BOLD type:
"Professionals or Amateurs,
Its Your Choice When Choosing A Home Inspector
Then underneath that I had a cartoon character of a Hayseed, Hillbilly in bibb overalls, a straw hat, carrying a duct tape rapped suitcase that said
"I be de homb inspicter".
Below that was the wording - "If You Want A Professional Inspector, Call" ...........
Got real good responses. I'm sure it pissed off some other inspector, somewhere - who probably saw or thought of himself as that Hillbilly!
Can I imagine being sued over that - I suppose, but get a life..
Dan Bowers