277 and up?
Orange is also mandated for the high leg of a 240v delta
If you are going to ban orange in single phase installations you have to ban yellow, brown and violet too. Pretty soon you run out of colors. In pipe (not using a cable) I will run any color except red and black for 240v circuits. Then I know at a glance this is not 120v stuff. I like colors for making it easier to sort out what is going on. I guess I got it in computer rooms where they have a cart with every color made, stranded and soild, to choose from.
If any “electrician” is confused that this isn’t the high leg of a delta or 480 3p I don’t want him in my house anyway.
lol…greg the missed point is…quite possibly electricians will not be the only one IN the panel…Also it is done in some local situations that orange itself is not used because it is an identifier of 277 V and high legs as explained in the NEC.
Personally…I don’t really care to see orange, Yellow, Violet and so on in a residential electrical panel…maybe it is just me…but seems my local AHJ also agree’s…
P.S…lets remember…i did not say it was a violation…said I did not like it…lol…BIG difference…again who am I…?
I would rather look in a big J box and see 5 colors of wire than 5 black ones.
I have a little informal code I use at my house that serves me well. It keeps things sorted out when I look at something a few years later.
lol…does the mind wander in only a few years their Greg…lol…Actually when I leave a panel the ledger will explain my tracks rather well so I really don’t get caught up in the color factor…
I too, use colors like blue, brown and purple for 240V circuits of #12 and smaller (in pipe). I use black for 120V circuits with dedicated neutrals. Then in shared neutral situations I use black/red 1 each for each neutral. Then in my panel I designate one leg for black and one for red, to assure the multis are on opposite legs.
Greg, do you do the same with the multiwires in your informal code?
perfectly fine to have a certain feel in your color plan, the NEC only really GEARS towards colors when dealing with Grounded and Grounding conductors and identification with high legs and so on. As well as color identification with multiple voltages…however in residential construction atleast for the most part i see…i dont see residential in conduit very often…at least i hope not…I don’t wire in Illinois…
But when I see orange in a residential panel…or violet for that case I do a little more diggin…it does not MATTER if the electrician whould know this or not…point is most in a residentail home inspection environment will see plenty of Black, Red and White within the enclosure…these are residential staple colors for the lack of a better term.
As for multiwire circuits…I have not put one in a house I have wired in years…just not something I do very often.
Those orange wires are designed for 3 phase with a high leg?
BOY Brown Orange Yellow
don’t know if it’s illegal but could be miss leading.
I would comment on it.
Improper weatherhead height, missing GFCI’s at wet area outlets, exposed wires, damaged outlet - just to name a few. All the did was change the box for insurance.
I believe there is a problem in this photo. Can anyone tell me what it is? It’s entirely possible that I will be diasagreed with, but IMO this is dangerous.
It’s okay to store LP gas indoors, but the cylinder needs restrained, such as with a chain. The area within 18" of the ceiling needs wired with Class 1, Division 2 wiring methods (hazardous location). It would be better if they put the propane bottle on the back porch or in a shed.
Marc LPG tanks in a dwelling is never allowed around here… but I bet it happens … and why would the ceiling be a classified area.
Propane is heavier than air.
