Why NACHI Needs ASHI

[Charlie_Q.Griswald_Jr]

Peter, I hope you are not judging the membership of an entire national organization by the actions of a small group in your state who have formed a chapter.

I will admit that many ASHI leaders are looking for a new host to land upon when our big dog dies and state licensing boards are very attractive to them. But that is something you would deal with regarding these people no matter what organization they might belong to, in my opinion.

ASHI is trying to stay relevant by being a player in discussions, but what is happening at the state level is being acted out by the personal greed of the individuals involved, in my opinion.

[wdecker (William Decker, CMI, IL. Lic. 450.002240)]

Ian, I have to give you my view on ASHI which may be different than others. Here in NH we are facing licensing and the local ASHI chapter has set up a independent coalition to confuse the state legislators. They have written a bill that mirrors ASHIs membership requirements and have lied and been deceptive in their vain attempt to gain control of the inspection industry here in NH. They have lied so much that their lobbyist actually quit in front of a house of representatives committee hearing.

ASHI, in Illinois, has done this. The state’s HI law is pretty much the ASHI SOP. ASHI did the same thing here. They even got the state to adopt the NHIE as the state exam (with questions added for the state law).

But, they outsmarted themselves.

ASHI wanter all its “full” members to grandfather in. The state said that they didn’t have to take the coursework, if they could pass the test.

But, rather than the test that ASHI was giving, the state made it harder and had it administered by an independant agency. The ASHI guys didn’t have the answer key anymore.

And only 41% of these guys passed.

When you make a deal with the state, after you shake their hand you better count your fingers. :mrgreen:

They have also attempted to gain support from me and other NACHI members under the guise that we all need to work together, which by the way is the theme of this thread, while I agree with this premise, it was less than a month later that my state senator read me a email that was sent to him stating that we, NACHI inspectors, basically couldn’t inspect a dog house and are all unqualified.

I used to hear this all the time. Now I just laugh. NACHI inspectors, in Illinois, regulary, are called in to evaluate the poor inspection of other association inspectors. I have testified, in court, myself, in three of these cases. The other guys were doing 45 minute, checklist inspections and all three had been inspectors for longer than I have been. They just got complacient, fat and lazy.

Now that is whats happening in my neck of the woods, the ASHI members here in NH are back stabbing liars that cannot be trusted, so why should we NACHI members think for a moment that this industry needs back stabbers and liars to help keep this industry professional. In my opinion the sooner this organisation goes under the better, not only for the consumer but the industry as well.

All of the above is JMHO.

We did it by beating them at their own game.

[iniquette (Ian A. Niquette)]

Hey Ian, good post, but I disagree with you that this industry needs ASHI, once they finally close their doors I’m sure someone will step up and start a new org. Or if ASHI could pull it’s head out of it’s arss and do whats right by their membership and by the consumers then we would have healthy competition and healthy competition is what benefits everyone concerned in the long run.

Thanks Pete, I guess I wouldn’t say NACHI needs ASHI, necessarily, but another org. like you say to keep us hungry, and make us strive to get better. good point.

[wdecker (William Decker, CMI, IL. Lic. 450.002240)]

Peter, I hope you are not judging the membership of an entire national organization by the actions of a small group in your state who have formed a chapter.

I will admit that many ASHI leaders are looking for a new host to land upon when our big dog dies and state licensing boards are very attractive to them. But that is something you would deal with regarding these people no matter what organization they might belong to, in my opinion.

ASHI is trying to stay relevant by being a player in discussions, but what is happening at the state level is being acted out by the personal greed of the individuals involved, in my opinion.

Many of the ASHI and NAHI “big dogs” in Illinois don’t really want to be inspectors, anymore. They are (were) angling to be on the state board or become CE providers or pre-licensing course education providers.

But they are failing, pretty well, all on their own.

There are exceptions, but this is pretty much the case.

[prussell (Peter Russell, NH licence #57)]

Peter, I hope you are not judging the membership of an entire national organization by the actions of a small group in your state who have formed a chapter.

I will admit that many ASHI leaders are looking for a new host to land upon when our big dog dies and state licensing boards are very attractive to them. But that is something you would deal with regarding these people no matter what organization they might belong to, in my opinion.

ASHI is trying to stay relevant by being a player in discussions, but what is happening at the state level is being acted out by the personal greed of the individuals involved, in my opinion.

Charlie, This tactic of starting an independent organisation of home inspectors in states that are considering licensing is not new to ASHI. In fact it has become a template not only for NH but in MO. and I believe FL. IMHO it is a last ditch attempt at domination within state lines to foster ASHIs mentoring program as well a boost the education. My belief is if ASHI wants to survive they need to be more in tune with their members instead being a good ole boys club.

[prussell (Peter Russell, NH licence #57)]

We did it by beating them at their own game.

Hi Will, as we are here in NH. We will not let our guard down and are still fighting legislation as SB212 passed the senate and is now on the way to the house.

[wdecker (William Decker, CMI, IL. Lic. 450.002240)]

Charlie, This tactic of starting an independent organisation of home inspectors in states that are considering licensing is not new to ASHI. In fact it has become a template not only for NH but in MO. and I believe FL. IMHO it is a last ditch attempt at domination within state lines to foster ASHIs mentoring program as well a boost the education. My belief is if ASHI wants to survive they need to be more in tune with their members instead being a good ole boys club.

We have such a state association, here in Illinois.

I am a Charter member and on the board of directors.

But, it does NOT favor any association. There are members who belong to all the different associations and most of the membership are independents.

We all work together and there is no favoritism to any association.

I got a lot of crap from some NACHI people for working with them, but I discussed it with Nick and John B. and others in NACHI who I trust.

And it turned out to work.

Trust, but verify.

Or, as we used to say on the South Side, “I trust you, but I know where you park your car.” :mrgreen:

[wdecker (William Decker, CMI, IL. Lic. 450.002240)]

Hi Will, as we are here in NH. We will not let our guard down and are still fighting legislation as SB212 passed the senate and is now on the way to the house.

Different areas, different conditions, different tactics.

Not trying to tell you what to do, just giving you the benefit of our experience.

Hope this helps;

[prussell (Peter Russell, NH licence #57)]

Will, your help and experience is always welcome.

[Charlie_Q.Griswald_Jr]

Charlie, This tactic of starting an independent organisation of home inspectors in states that are considering licensing is not new to ASHI. In fact it has become a template not only for NH but in MO. and I believe FL. IMHO it is a last ditch attempt at domination within state lines to foster ASHIs mentoring program as well a boost the education. My belief is if ASHI wants to survive they need to be more in tune with their members instead being a good ole boys club.

You are correct, Peter.

It is a template modelled closely from the success that one particular group had in Pennsylvania a few years back, called “PHIC”. Even to this day, these ASHI members continue to convince many in their state that they are a genuine coalition representing all inspectors. So far though no one else has had an equal amount of success with it in the other states.

I work in a state that requires licensing and remember how active ASHI was in getting that legislation passed but it was back in the days before there was any opposition to licensing. We did not have to hide our ASHI membership and pretend to be anything else much like the boys in Illinois did, as Will described.

[prussell (Peter Russell, NH licence #57)]

You are correct, Peter.

It is a template modelled closely from the success that one particular group had in Pennsylvania a few years back, called “PHIC”. Even to this day, these ASHI members continue to convince many in their state that they are a genuine coalition representing all inspectors. So far though no one else has had an equal amount of success with it in the other states.

I work in a state that requires licensing and remember how active ASHI was in getting that legislation passed but it was back in the days before there was any opposition to licensing. We did not have to hide our ASHI membership and pretend to be anything else much like the boys in Illinois did, as Will described.

Charlie, I am close to Mass. and have heard that the licensing down there has been a disaster. Here in NH the independent coalition has testified in senate and house subcommittee hearings that they represent every home inspector and their orgs in the state which is just not true.

[Charlie_Q.Griswald_Jr]

If “John Mehoff” is who I think he is, it is possible that he is an actual member of one of these state coalitions. I think he is actually an ASHI chapter president and, if I am correct, he has only recently come to the conclusions that he has published in the other thread I mentioned.

It would be enlightening for many of you, and me too, if he were to address some of these issues from his perspective. If he stumbles across this thread maybe he shall.

[hvalenzano (Henry Valenzano, CMI)]

Go to the members’ only section of our message board, Dan. Read it for yourself. Our leadership has come to the realization that trying to run ASHI “by consultant” has been a bad idea.

We paid outside consultants for advice instead of listening to our own members who left us in droves when we first began selling ourselves to realtors as “something special” in our branding program. Sure, it did a lot for newbies like you but the real inspectors who were already established did not need or want branding. It pushed ASHI at the expense of its members.

Today, whether you can allow yourself to admit it or not on this message board Dan, it takes more to qualify to be a first day member of NACHI than it does to be a first day member of ASHI. To say otherwise makes you a liar and if you insist upon lying you will not be representing my ASHI, just your own thoughts. From what I have read here, there is not much regard for your own personal thoughts around these part.

I think you better go back and read some of the BS in your member area.

( Scott: I fully agree with you. But we should, as professionals, extend this to real estate agents and contractors.

Refresh my brain cells, we are secure on this Forum, right? No more non-members peeking in?

Don’t just read the Forum, add your questions and comments, we all benefit! ) Just a sample of the BS. And NO the forum is not secure.

[prussell (Peter Russell, NH licence #57)]

I think you better go back and read some of the BS in your member area.

( Scott: I fully agree with you. But we should, as professionals, extend this to real estate agents and contractors.

Refresh my brain cells, we are secure on this Forum, right? No more non-members peeking in?

Don’t just read the Forum, add your questions and comments, we all benefit! ) Just a sample of the BS. And NO the forum is not secure.

Henry, fill us in on this quote, was it from charlie and if so when??

I hope this thread with Charlie is not another attempt at deception but won’t be surprised if it is.

[hvalenzano (Henry Valenzano, CMI)]

Henry, fill us in on this quote, was it from charlie and if so when??

I hope this thread with Charlie is not another attempt at deception but won’t be surprised if it is.

No it wasnt charlie just scott and some of his friends talking about NACHI.

[jbushart (James H. Bushart)]

No it wasnt charlie just scott and some of his friends talking about NACHI.

They would barbecue Patterson’s a$$ at inspectionnews if they knew he complimented NACHI…expecially Nick.

I wonder if these guys are right and things are drawing to a close in ASHIville. If I were a member considering renewal I would have to wonder who benefits by it more…me or ASHI? There really is no benefit to membership anymore.

[dduffy (Dale Duffy)]

@jbushart

They would barbecue Patterson’s a$$ at inspectionnews if they knew he complimented NACHI…expecially Nick.

I wonder if these guys are right and things are drawing to a close in ASHIville. If I were a member considering renewal I would have to wonder who benefits by it more…me or ASHI? There really is no benefit to membership anymore.

None I can see Jim, but I paid my dues for the year, the one advantage is a tax deduction, I will not need that deduction next year though.

[dharris]

Charlie Q. Griswald, Jr]Go to the members’ only section of our message board, Dan. Read it for yourself. Our leadership has come to the realization that trying to run ASHI “by consultant” has been a bad idea.

Yep. I agree, ASHI should turn into a ditator run org, have NACHI and ASHI join together, hire nick as the ed, and appoint bushart, and crayola in charge of the ethics committee, :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Of course you could suggest to them, they could always save the members $s by not paying venders, and denying finiancal liabilaty on expenses occured:roll: :roll:

From what I have read here, there is not much regard for your own personal thoughts around these part.

I sure get a Lotta greenies for telling the way it is, to date haven’t had nachos sherrif ,Joe F question who I was, or what my motive is:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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[wdecker (William Decker, CMI, IL. Lic. 450.002240)]

@dharris

Yep. I agree, ASHI should turn into a ditator run org, have NACHI and ASHI join together, hire nick as the ed, and appoint bushart, and crayola in charge of the ethics committee, :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Of course you could suggest to them, they could always save the members $s by not paying venders, and denying finiancal liabilaty on expenses occured:roll: :roll:

I sure get a Lotta greenies for telling the way it is, to date haven’t had nachos sherrif ,Joe F question who I was, or what my motive is:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Well, now that we have heard from the “unserious faction”, I believe that this thread is now complete.

[Charlie_Q.Griswald_Jr]

@dharris

Yep. I agree, ASHI should turn into a ditator run org, have NACHI and ASHI join together, hire nick as the ed, and appoint bushart, and crayola in charge of the ethics committee, :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Of course you could suggest to them, they could always save the members $s by not paying venders, and denying finiancal liabilaty on expenses occured:roll: :roll:

I sure get a Lotta greenies for telling the way it is, to date haven’t had nachos sherrif ,Joe F question who I was, or what my motive is:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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The struggle that my poor friend, Mr. Harris, is engaged in needs to be understood before you will be able to really understand his posts.

Like many newbies, Mr. Harris came to rely upon the reputation of ASHI before he had a chance to establish his own. Any arguments made that show how unfactual that the ASHI reputation actually is he considers a personal attack.

His remarks and other facts brought to light in other threads have convinced me that Dan also has to deal with the fact that NACHI involuntarily terminated his membership.

I’m no psychologist but I don’t think you have to be one to see how these things combine to create an extreme inferiority complex on his part.

My advice to you Dan is to wean yourself from nursing off of what used to be a very meaningful ASHI member designation and build a reputation of your own. I’m sure that you are a fine inspector and are worthy of respect no matter what association will allow you membership.