What is in the pictures clips, wrap or other?
page 101 of the york manual states that connectors not meeting these minimum requirements should be reported as other with an explanation. Do not simply “down rate” double wraps to single, single wraps to clips and clips to toe nails.
I thought we went through this previously, but I am happy to go over it again, I agree with Other, improperly placed single wraps, too far away from truss. Thanks John and Greg.
Keep them coming John
Clips, to far away from the truss to qualify as single straps.
Just wondering who provided your training for wind mits.
Greg is absolutely correct with his description of why it is “other” and not a clip. However, if you had a strap that was located the proper distance from the truss, but only had 3 total nails (ie 2 on one side and one on other side), this **would **be downgraded to a clip.
Hi Dennis,
I think that we took the same class in Jacksonville. If so please read page 101 of the training manual. The book states that we should not downgrade anything. If it doesn’t meet the requirements then we should mark other and give a reason why.
TOE NAILS, with a side of finger nails
Yes, other according to Bill York’s training. To add-on to that question. What if that was the only one not to be within tolerance. Would one be enough to create an other choice?
Yes as that is the weakest attachment. You are always looking for the weakest element. As a side note I think I could find one that is more than a 1/4 inch on just about every house.
What is the WEAKEST roof to wall connection. I guess you could interpret that as a singular item, or as the design component.
I would hate to think that it would come down to the singular items. that could lead to marking every nail in every truss for the spacing
The training manual says that you should examine 6 connectors in two different locations. It also states that you should scan the top cord of 3 trusses with one being an edge truss.
All of these questions are answered in the training manual provided with the york class.
Just curious and I am not saying anyone is wrong but where on the form does it state anything about being installed to code.
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[FONT=Times New Roman][size=2]C. Single Wraps Metal Straps must be secured to every rafter/truss with a minimum of 3 nails, wrapping over and securing [/size][/FONT][size=2][FONT=Times New Roman]to the opposite side of the rafter/truss with a minimum of 1 nail. The Strap must be attached to the top plate of the wall frame or embedded in the bond beam in at least one place.[/size][/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman][size=2]H. No attic access
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Who said anything about code?
All the talk about how the straps are installed. I assumed people were saying it must be to code. I do not see anything about them even being properly installed or any definition of what properly installed is on the form.
Did you take any training for wind mits?
Both courses that I have taken address this question.
Just an FYI the code is not as stringent as the requirements for the 1802.
Yes the internachi one. Just because someone teaches a class does not mean their opinion is correct. In my opinion what matters is what the form says. As you said “The book states that we should not downgrade anything” I go by only what the form states. Nowhere on the form that I must sign does it say anything other than what I posted above. There is no mention of any distances only the amount of nails required. I do agree that the straps should be installed properly but that would be very difficult to state that all are installed as they should be. it would be even more difficult to prove it with a picture. Many of the photos I take of the straps are from a great distance and I would not be able to measure the distance from the truss with any certainty.
The Nachi course also addresses the issue. It just needs to be updated to the correct distance.
Bill York is teaching the QA people that will be reviewing your work. With that being the case I would say that his course does matter.
Can you imagine how long the form would be if it addressed every possible scenario?
I’m going to agree with Michael on this one. If i were being hired to perform a Building code Compliance inspection I would call the connection out. But if I’m hired to perform a Wind Mitigation Inspection I would call that connection out as a single wrap in that the attachment meets the criteria of the form.
When doing a wood frame home that has clips attaching the roof framing to the supporting wall would you down grade that connection because the nails at the bottom of the clip can not be viewed because they are always below the drywall ceiling? With that being said if a large majority of the roof framing had connections like this I don’t know what the hell I would do
You guys can not read into the form. You have to answer the question just the way that it is written. This is a legal document. Where on the form does it talk about how many inches away from the truss are the straps. No where that I can find, so you you have to answer the question as it is written and let the underwriters deny the credit.