Wires left behind in panel

[bcawhern1 (Brian Cawhern, CMI)]

What is the consequence? Can they become energized? Do I have a safety issue here?

[sbridges2 (Scott Bridges)]

It looks like the breaker is in the on position.

[bcawhern1 (Brian Cawhern, CMI)]

Let me add context. I think they moved them here, lol.

[ruecker (Ryan Uecker)]

@bcawhern1

Can they become energized?.

Aren’t they already energized? Can’t tell for sure from your picture but the OCPD seems to be in the On position.

[ccurrins (Christopher Currins, CMI)]

@ruecker

Aren’t they already energized?

I would say yes they are and should be removed. Not sure how the second pic is relared.

[ruecker (Ryan Uecker)]

Double tap…

[bcawhern1 (Brian Cawhern, CMI)]

The panel labeling was confusing, somehow I convinced myself this was power in (backfed) from the main disconnect switchboard. Thanks for the quick snap back to reality.

[ruecker (Ryan Uecker)]

@bcawhern1

…somehow I convinced myself this was power in (backfed) from the main disconnect

Might have been at one time. Hard to tell from the provided pictures. Got one of the whole panel?

[bcawhern1 (Brian Cawhern, CMI)]

@ruecker

Got one of the whole panel?

Yes, and I believe this is actually the main back fed, bottom left.

[ruecker (Ryan Uecker)]

@bcawhern1

Yes, and I believe this is actually the main back fed, bottom left…

Welp, hard to tell what’s going on with the covers on and all, lol.
Are you just trying to be difficult?

[bcawhern1 (Brian Cawhern, CMI)]

@ruecker

Are you just trying to be difficult?

Yep…lol.

[ccurrins (Christopher Currins, CMI)]

@bcawhern1

somehow I convinced myself this was power in (backfed) from the main disconnect switchboard

If they were they would now still be hot if breaker was on.

[bcawhern1 (Brian Cawhern, CMI)]

Yep, I figured out what was going on thanks to all of you. Just needed a moment of clarity before moving forward.

[rlewis5 (Roy Lewis, CERTIFIED MASTER INSPECTOR RETIRED)]

I carry wire nuts with me , and have always have. It is so much easier to clear those than to writer the up

[ruecker (Ryan Uecker)]

@rlewis5

I carry wire nuts with me , and have always have. It is so much easier to clear to clear those than to writer the up…

That’s similar to me, and I’m sure other inspectors, who carry panels cover screws in the bag to replace incorrect or missing ones. Also to replace those that fall on the floor into the dark abyss, lol.

[rlewis5 (Roy Lewis, CERTIFIED MASTER INSPECTOR RETIRED)]

The difference between me and the most… I “soak” my client with the most exuberant fees. However, I give them the best that they could ever ask for.
And you know what! They go for it almost every time.Yep!

[rbleich (Richard Bleich)]

@bcawhern1

What is the consequence? Can they become energized? Do I have a safety issue here?

If I had to guess, I’d say the breaker failed and someone needed to keep a piece of equipment running. So they moved the conductors to another breaker but never came back and replace the old breaker. Were the stubs energized?

[rkenney (Robert (Bob) Kenney, CMI® MD Lic.# 31044)]

Why no solenoid tester? There is a limit to this “visual” crap.

[rmeier2 (Robert Meier)]

Looks like those stubs are energized if the CB is functioning since it’s in the closed position. It could be dangerous if someone is poking around in there without the proper PPE but the energized surface area of the end of the stubs is much smaller than the big energized terminals on the breaker so the stubs just add to the shock potential.

[jmckee (James McKee)]

don’t lick that !!!