Everyone is doing it, so now it’s OK. ???
Any ole fish can swim downstream.
Dan,
Some members of the Missouri Association of Realtors think the same way, that is why most of the public’s eye views Realtor less trust worthy than a used car salesman. They are paying for the sins of a few bad apples. The leaders of MAR do not see this as a problem. But the public does. We do not want the public’s image of home inspectors to go the same way.
John isn’t that your justification for your lack of verification of CMI qualifications…all the other associations do it too?
No Joe, Clark was never notified untill after te committee had revoked his membership, not before. He was also kicked out because of a remark he made in a PM that was no worse than the comments many Washington Inspectors received from Bushart Pack members while the Washington State licensing argument was going on. Isn’t the proper procedure to notify a member that a complaint has been filed along with the charges and the name of the person who made them, isn’t the accused given a chance to defend themselves, that seemed to be the case in complaints filed against Forsyth for instance.
You’re way behind Joe, the issue I mentioned about Forsyth was the complaint filed against her by Bushart for posting a derogatory and damaging comment on a Realtor message board, instead of being punished Ms. Forsyth claims Nick sent her T-Shirts and an apology, her comments on ActiveRAin set a new precedence, in my opinion, for what could be posted on other sites. I do see the difference though her comments about why people joined NACHI damaged the reputation of all NACHI Members, mine were directed soley at NACHI Leaders.
From messages I have received from other members, I’m not the only person on this message board who found the first several pages of this thread disgusting and childish.
As far as disclaiming portions of the SOP Joe, you said yourself that it was “regretable” but that yes members could do as Bushart said, disclaim large portions of the SOP so that they would not have to report on plumbing leaks, missing caulking, no gutters, moisture intrusion and many, many more WDO Issues, disclaiming some of the most important items of a Home Inspection just to get around State Law, and the still be able to claim that they meet or exceed NACHI Standards, not being a NACHI member any longer I can agree, seeing as because of your interpretation, there are no standards.
As far as the Washington Law, I’ll go with the State Attorney Generals interpretation, not some ex-legal clerk in Missouri. Now I can address the very low percentage of Washington NACHI Members who have the required SPI in a public venue can’t I?
As the Chairman Joe, couldn’t you poke Bushart in the a$$ and have him send me an official notification, or is he the one actually in charge?
Good post.
Would I be incorrect to add that the ESOP Committee has no duty at all to former members as to their demands for anything?
James, people don’t need to “demand” anything of the Gods of ESOP, you show your a$$ without any demand at all.
So what you are saying to NACHI Members is that YOU are the ultimate authority and have no obligation to even notify a member or former member of “Your” Committees actions against them. Now that’s funny, expecially coming from a Flag waver a$$ like you always going on about freedom and individual rights.
Don’t worry James, I have no desire to appeal the decision of a God like you, but I do believe most members believe that individuals have the right to know what they have been accused of and punished for, after all it may happen to them. It seems that in Bushart’s World Habeas Corpus has also been done away with, NACHI members have no right to know what they have been charged with, no right to defend themselves, and no right to face their accusers, and of course once the God’s have acted, you are no longer a member, Bushart’s World.
Ironically, Lewis, a couple of members have asked me if there was a method to re-instate you.
I am always open to the possibility of re-instating someone, if the person has a genuine desire to return to NACHI.
It appears as if you do not.
For the record, the interpretation you mentioned was from Dr. Soumi.
If you accept your expulsion, then fine. If you have no intention of appealing, fine.
The best advice I can give you, under the circumstances, is to not go away mad… just go away.
You brought this on yourself, Lewis. You continue to bash the association, the CMI, and anything else you feel justified in doing.
Now you are free to continue your tirade… just NOT as a member of this organization.
Come on back Lewis, you are sorely missed!
For the record Joe the Interpretation I was taliking about regarding the Washington State SPI Law is the one from the State Attorney General which Soumi sent Bushart, it was a result of several NACHI Members asking questions of the Director of the WSDA , Dr. Soumi’s, interpretation, that had changed, was that Inspectors could use a Sub for the WDO portion of their Inspection, Forsyth and others still do not use Subs, Bushart says they don’t need to they can just disclaim all mention of WDO and conducive conditions in order to stay within the Law, therefore I have no use for an SOP or Association that would allow their members to in effect rewrite the SOP in order to avoid State Laws. You can be assured that this will be discussed elsewhere now that I am free to do so.
How could I appeal, not that I intend to, when your committee is to chickensh*t to even send me a notification of what I was charged with? What would I appeal.
Questioining the credibility of various NACHI Marketing gimmicks is not bashing the association, it’s disagreeing, Nachis practice of supplying worthless, meaningless, designations that have no credibility when compared to similar designations in other industries damages the reputation of all who use them and NACHI members, by association, who don’t
As far as CMI, I’ve said it’s a good idea, but that it needs to mean something and to be backed by credible and meaningful qualifications and verification so that the designation would be accepted by other industries as being meaningful. To become a “Certified” inspector you have to at least take an on-line exam, to become a Certified Master Inspector all you have to do is pay a fee, no test, on-line or otherwise, and you become a “Master” of your profession, it takes less to become a Master than it does to become just a normal old NACHI Inspector, and being open to all, some “Masters” may not have ever take even an on-line test. I guess pointing that out is bashing, just like disagreeing with members ability to rewrite the SOP. Unlicensed NACHI Inspectors in my area harm me by association, I guess mentioning that is bashing, why would I want to claim NACHI Membership when so many other members avoid the law, or claim to be something they are not.
Being tossed from NACHI doesn’t bother me at all, that’s why I psoted what I did and where I did, that’s actually not true, I posted it where I did because one of Nick’s sheep was there giving Nick’s one sided spin on his settlement agreement, it was an appropriate place to place a link to a demonstration of NACHI Leadership ethics and so called humor.
I’ve been asked by others to delete the posts and apolgize, deleting as was discussed last month does no good, once said or posted it’s already been done, and if anyone owes an apology it’s those who joined the “Penile Implant” group posting their words of wit on a public forum and embarrassing all other NACHI Members, my post only made their “Humor” more public, they made their own “jokes”.
John & James -
Its not unethical for other professions to do this, I see no reason for it to be unethical for our guys to - IF ALL PARTIES AGREE AND DON"T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. If the parties agree and it don’t bother them, who are you to say otherwise?
AND lets not pretent a great amount of our HI’s already do this.
It is too bad you are so bitter and need to make fun of others .
I do the best I can and so sorry if it does not meet your exptactions .
But fortunately for me very very many are pleased with our inspections ,
I am able to get more work then we want and charge more then any one else in our area.
It might be to your advantage to try and improve the way you see things .
My glass is never 1/2 empty it is always 1/2 full.
None of us are perfect , but you seem to feel you are and continue to try and show others how you are so smart and we are so wrong.
It is you who is on the outside looking in and we, who are on the inside are happy.
Some day with luck you might get over your constant hate and come back to NACHI and get to enjoy life again…
If you really want to see the real issue then please have a good look in the mirror…
Dan,
Just because other people in other professions do this does not make it right.
Whoever in our business does this better have it in writing from all parties. I tell my clients I will do no work on a property for at least one year from the time of inspection. Not just because it is a NACHI ethic but I learned my years ago from experience. You know some people will lie or stretch the truth just for they can look better. I have alot of respect for you but lets just agree to diagree about this issue.
I got some ideas on the legislative front that I will be talking to you nand Mr. Bushart about in the future. Until then keep up the good fight against the leaders of ASHI and MAR.
Thanks James for your efforts in Mid-Mo
In our state the only exception to the 24 month rule is if the seller signs a waiver, PRIOR to the inspection, disclosing that the inspector is qualified to, and may be asked to, perform repairs.
I might be open to that. Can I see a copy of the waiver.
Sheep are happy Roy, as long as they are following the Bell around their leaders neck, it makes them feel safe.
I’m right where I want to be Roy, still in business, and still fishing and sailing almost as often as I like. Retirement is great Roy, work when you want and not because you need to. The picture has been my avatar for quite some time Roy, it’s a picture of me playing with the NACHI Sheep.
There is not standard waiver. You don’t need any specific one by law but it’s the only way you can prove that the seller gave consent. Any lawyer or paralegal could draw one up that would suffice.
You can read the full transcript of Mallory Anderson’s deposition, here.
About 28 years ago ASHI decided it was unethical for HI’s to offer to repair or work on anything we inspected. So inspectors set up different companies that were owned by their wife, their son, the brother-in-law, etc. Been done for a long time. Now everything was above board because we had a separate legal entity.
The home inspectors started doing termite inspections, radon inspections, asbestos inspections, lead inspections, mold inspections, etc. Now if a home inspector came out to your house and did a home inspection - also did a termite inspection and saw termites - is the HI violating most associations COE if the home owner calls the home inspectors pest control company (the HI owns one of those too) and has them treated by them.
In case you don’t know the answer, its no. Why, because the HI’s sop does not include pest inspections. This is even done in states with licensed HI’s where state laws say we don’t repair what we inspect.
So my question to youse all, is why is the HI the only guy or profession where hes an unethical SOB if he/she repairs something they’re qualified to do AND the homeowner wants him/her to do so. Its their property not yours.
Under our great and intelligent (?) COE a home inspector could inspect a home with no deck present. Three months later the homeowner calls the HI who also happens to build custom beautiful decks and says - will you build us a custom deck on our home because we see you’re the only deck builder in our little town **OR **the other 2 guys that do this are crap. The ethical home inspector says - No, I can’t because our COE says …
IMHO this is ancient history, and stupid history at that.
In my opinion, Bill Clinton’s biggest mistake was allowing himself (a 55 year old husband, father and president) to be alone in an office with a 20-something year old female intern. Period. From there…one will never know the fact from the fiction regarding blue dresses and cigars…but the mistake was made when he opened himself up by stepping into an area he did not belong.
Same goes for home inspectors who want to fix the houses they write up.
No matter what you do or how honest you may be…the door is open for an accusation that you will not be able to prove yourself innocent of (Sure, the prosecution has to prove you guilty. You don’t have to prove your innocence, right? Tell that to OJ.).
Did you write that up because it was a legitimate concern or so that you could make a few extra bucks? Did you recommend new chimney flashing just because you happened to have some in the truck left over from the last job? C’mon…you can tell me. It will be our secret.
A prudent inspector will comply with the COE and stay out of the locked offices with Monica Lewinsky. Sometimes it is just as smart to avoid the appearance of wrongdoing as it is to avoid the wrongdoing, itself.
You cannot “unblemish” your reputation with a technicality.