ASHI proudly proclaims that the application has a very, very stiff requirement...
"YOUR SIGNATURE ON THIS DOCUMENT AND A COPY OF YOUR DRIVER?S LICENSE OR OFFICIAL STATE PHOTO ID ARE REQUIRED FOR MEMBERSHIP IN ASHI" (note third to last word in this sentence)
that and $$$ is all it takes!
ASHI's Candidacy program is nothing short of a text-book diploma mill.
Nick Gromicko
Hi Nick,
Sounds like another organization I know. You know the one I am talking about.... wink, wink, nudge, nudge   
Cha ching, Cha ching...$$$$
Cheers
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
-- The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. - Sir William Osler 1905
Originally Posted By: Scott Patterson This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
I think that I have gotten under Nick’s skin! Nick, it was not intended. I hope to meet you one day and have a good talk, dinner and drink with you. I’ll be in Vegas at the ITA Conference, if you plan on being at it let me know via email.
It matters not what a person says on this board in an attempt to set the fact straight. They will become twisted into anything but a resemblance of the original form or meaning.
As I have said many times, the professional association you hold a membership in will not make you a better inspector. Being a good inspector comes from education and experience. I don't think that anyone will argue with that point.
It is a fact that ASHI has more experienced inspectors and it is a fact that NACHI has more beginning inspectors. I don't think that anyone will argue with this. The average ASHI Full Member ASHI inspector has over 6 years in the profession. I would venture to say that the average NACHI inspector has less than 1 year of experience. This is one of the major differences between ASHI and NACHI.
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FWIW ASHI is about to require that all applicants successfully pass the NHIE exam first. Many if not most brand new inspectors that do not require a license in their state, will fail this exam the first try without some construction/technical background or intense study
This is not true. Please get your fact straight before you post. (I think I have said this before!)
In order for a person to advertise that they belong to ASHI they will still need to pass the NHIE, have their reports verified and have completed 50 inspections. At this time they are a C2 Member and can advertise that they belong to ASHI.
What we have been seeing over the past year or so, is that inspectors are joining NACHI when they are new with little to no experience and they are gaining their experience and knowledge to pass the NHIE and to build up their inspection numbers so they can join ASHI. Most use NACHI as a stepping stone to ASHI or NAHI. Right or wrong this is what is happing.
As I said all of the organizations serve a purpose. It just looks like NACHI is the starting point for folks wanting to enter the profession. Everyone needs a starting point, all that matters is how you finish.
Originally Posted By: jbushart This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Scott,
You offer a fine spin. It is clear why ASHI chose you to chair its Membership Committee. Your recruiting effort on this part of our message board might even pay off with a candidate or two.
But you have to admit that things are not going well for your organization when it is forced to add its candidates for membership to its numbers in order to boost itself over 3,000.
Originally Posted By: jfarsetta This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Scott,
Nick's point was also to remind everyone that you have the freedom to come on OUR association's message board and spout your own spin on things.
I wonder if ASHI would give our members carte blanch to post pretty much whatever we want on THEIR board. You sit on their membership committee. Why dont you convince the ASHIorginazation to open the kimono and let us ask some pointed questions.
After all, fair is fair, right?
As to the validity and importance of the NHIE, it aint gonna fly for licensing here in NY. NY views the NHIE pretty much the csame as they view NACHI's exam. Both are good. Both test knowledge. But, both are the products of home inspection associations, and that is why they will not be used.
The major difference? Well, NACHI makes no bones that the NACHI exam is their own. The NHIE, on the other hand, hides behind EBPHI, when EVERYONEknows whos exam it really is...
Come on, Scott. Some honesty for a change. We both make some valid points. Let's admit that the NHIE is ASHIs. Let's get that big bad ASHI message board open to all inspector postings. And end Kurt's reign of terror for those who cross him.
When you and ASHI are willing to voluntarily level the playing field, I may agree with you. I dont believe it will ever happen, though.
-- Joe Farsetta
Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."
Originally Posted By: jschwartz1 This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Scott:
I know of inspectors that were once members of ASHI and now no longer are posted members on your web site and yet still have ASHI logos all over their marketing material. How would you handle that one?
Originally Posted By: psabados This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Scott
Your numbers are down BIG TIME over the last 2 years. Your newbie membership is up. Now, where have all of those experienced inspectors with 5 plus years of experience go? All of those thousands that didn't renew must have retired or started selling real estate instead. Run the numbers again, your average has slipped and is still slipping. I also like the new stance in the branding campaign. Call a spade a spade, your membership is against it and according to many of my inspector contacts it flopped. Talk about flowery back peddling. I know quite a few of your ex-members that have taken up residence here. Did you guys take an exit survey?
Paul
We'll send you a bag of Nacho's 
Originally Posted By: jbushart This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
jschwartz1 wrote:
James:
Candidates cannot use logos. BTW the inspector does not show up on that list either!!!
This guy markets to real estate agents and presents his card, representing himself as a member. They see the logo and don't check any list, I guess. He does quite a few inspections. Another ASHI member told me about it and told me he turned him in, but the guy is still out there doing it.
Originally Posted By: jbushart This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
psabados wrote:
Scott
Your numbers are down BIG TIME over the last 2 years. Your newbie membership is up. Now, where have all of those experienced inspectors with 5 plus years of experience go? All of those thousands that didn't renew must have retired or started selling real estate instead. Run the numbers again, your average has slipped and is still slipping. :
Paul,
It's that ASHI math that Nick is referring to.
You see, you COUNT the candidates for membership when you report the total number of ASHI members. However, you only average the number of years of experience of the fewer full members and DO NOT COUNT candidates in that tally.
Since fewer and fewer candidates are actually reaching "member status" the average years of experience is growing. At an ASHI meeting in St. Louis several years ago several door prizes were awarded. One for the guy who travelled the farthest, one for the oldest member, etc etc. They had a prize for the candidate who had been a candidate the longest. The winner had been a candidate for nine years. He had over 500 inspections and explained, when asked, that being a candidate is fine with him and this way he does not have to take any tests.
I think it's time for these guys to stop throwing rocks at others and start cleaning up things in their own yard.
Originally Posted By: jbushart This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
jschwartz1 wrote:
James:
EXACTLY!! If the FL law had passed it would have been a $10,000 fine per violation.
 10K for impersonating an ASHI member? How much for impersonating a NACHI member? I guess if you get caught impersonating a FABI member, they pay you.
Originally Posted By: psabados This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
So, that makes them invisible members. Members not seen but counted. Gee, didn’t a bunch of people try to make a big deal out of the Nachi/Internachi membership roles?
Maybe we should send two bags of Nachos, one with the Nachi Logo and one with the Inter-Nachi Logo. They can supply their own cheese
Originally Posted By: Scott Patterson This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
First let me Thank You for allowing me to post on your board.
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The major difference? Well, NACHI makes no bones that the NACHI exam is their own. The NHIE, on the other hand, hides behind EBPHI, when EVERYONEknows whos exam it really is...
Yes, everyone knows that ASHI provided the seed for EBPHI and the NHIE. But all purse strings have been cut and as of last year EBPHI is on its own. In fact if any NACHI member who meets the qualifications wants to apply for a position on the EBPHI board you can apply at this link http://www.homeinspectionexam.org/App_BoD.html
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Come on, Scott. Some honesty for a change. We both make some valid points. Let's admit that the NHIE is ASHIs. Let's get that big bad ASHI message board open to all inspector postings. And end Kurt's reign of terror for those who cross him.
Kurt does not have Carte Blanc anymore, many changes have been made. It's now a committee that handles the discussion board.
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When you and ASHI are willing to voluntarily level the playing field, I may agree with you. I don't believe it will ever happen, though
Just what would you call leveling the playing field? ASHI will not lower the requirements. Will NACHI increase their requirements?
If NACHI was to require the NHIE as their entrance exam, then Nick would have something to crow about. But we know this will not happen as this would reduce the new members down to a trickle.
Now Jay had this:
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I know of inspectors that were once members of ASHI and now no longer are posted members on your web site and yet still have ASHI logos all over their marketing material. How would you handle that one?
Well if they are not a member of ASHI and they say they are all you need to do is send me or ASHI the proof and they will receive a letter from our attorney outlining what will happen if the don't stop the false advertising.
This is hard to police but when it is brought to our attention the proper actions are taken.
My mailing address is
Scott Patterson
PO Box 1336
Ridgeland, MS 39158
Once again Thank You for letting me post on your BB.
Originally Posted By: ekartal This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Scott Patterson wrote:
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FWIW ASHI is about to require that all applicants successfully pass the NHIE exam first. Many if not most brand new inspectors that do not require a license in their state, will fail this exam the first try without some construction/technical background or intense study
This is not true. Please get your fact straight before you post. (I think I have said this before!)
Scott, there was a post (that disappeared) where you said that passing the NHIE will be required for all members. I assumed you meant candidate members too. If not, passing the NHIE for full member status is very old news. Why even mention it?
Originally Posted By: Scott Patterson This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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Scott, there was a post (that disappeared) where you said that passing the NHIE will be required for all members. I assumed you meant candidate members too. If not, passing the NHIE for full member status is very old news. Why even mention it?
Erol
Sorry, but it did not come from me. Yes, one of my post was deleted by mistake by the ED of NACHI. I did not bother to repost. I think my last post says it all fairly well.
Originally Posted By: jfarsetta This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Scott,
Its refreshing to learn that EBPHI was cut loose as recently as LAST YEAR. While this may be true, the fact is that many have claimed from as far back as 3-years ago that EBPHI was a separate and distinct entity from ASHI. We all knew that ASHI funding and support was still behind it.
As to NACHI requiring the NHIE for entry, the question is why should we? I will state that it is far superior to test basic skills and knowledge annually (as is required at NACHI), then test it once and be done with it (as with ASHI). Which methodology is more beneficial? I prefer the former, rather than the latter. COmbine this criteria with an additional requirement for 24 hours of CE credit per year, and we blow ASHI off the map. Why doesnt ASHI follow our lead, in this instance?
The subject of relevent questions and answers come to mind. Both the NACHI and the ASHI exam have these, though arguments are made that some ASHI questions are quite subjective. In some instances, its not necessarily the correct answer, but (rather) the answer that ASHI is looking for. But, hey, no test is perfect.
Finally, the question regarding psychometrically valid testing comes to mind. I believe that the ASHI exam may not have truly met this hurtle.. This is why some states are re-examining their license test criteria. In the case of NY, they laugh at the specific verbiage suggested in the law, and recognize it as code words for the ASHI exam. In the case of North Dakota, it aint gonna fly.
On the other points I made, I doubt that ASHI will allow anyone to post on their bosrd, but it IS refreshing to learn that Kurt is now leashed (somewhat).
-- Joe Farsetta
Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."
Originally Posted By: Scott Patterson This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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Its refreshing to learn that EBPHI was cut loose as recently as LAST YEAR. While this may be true, the fact is that many have claimed from as far back as 3-years ago that EBPHI was a separate and distinct entity from ASHI. We all knew that ASHI funding and support was still behind it.
The process was started about three years ago, it was finalized this past year.
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As to NACHI requiring the NHIE for entry, the question is why should we? I will state that it is far superior to test basic skills and knowledge annually (as is required at NACHI), then test it once and be done with it (as with ASHI). Which methodology is more beneficial? I prefer the former, rather than the latter. COmbine this criteria with an additional requirement for 24 hours of CE credit per year, and we blow ASHI off the map. Why doesnt ASHI follow our lead, in this instance?
Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree. How many professions require retesting on the same material. I have also spoken to many NACHI members who say they have been members for 2-3 years and have never retaken the online exam.
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The subject of relevent questions and answers come to mind. Both the NACHI and the ASHI exam have these, though arguments are made that some ASHI questions are quite subjective. In some instances, its not necessarily the correct answer, but (rather) the answer that ASHI is looking for. But, hey, no test is perfect.
I guess you are speaking of the NHIE as ASHI only has a Standards Exam. All questions on the NHIE have a verifiable and defensible source for the correct answer.
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Finally, the question regarding psychometrics valid testing comes to mind. I believe that the ASHI exam may not have truly met this hurtle.. This is why some states are re-examining their license test criteria. In the case of NY, they laugh at the specific verbiage suggested in the law, and recognize it as code words for the ASHI exam. In the case of North Dakota, it aint gonna fly.
From my understanding about the North Dakota situation is that this will be amended in the coming legislative year. This is proof that our legislatures can make mistakes. But with less than 100 inspectors in the state it will be hard to justify the cost of licensing anyway.
What states are re-examining their license test criteria?
As for New York, they design all of their own exams with their in house Psyshometricans. It should be a doozie of an exam, I have heard it will be based on engineering practices.
