I figured it would be apropos if you met at the “Spam” plant, which is only 40 miles from me! :p:twisted:
I live at the back door of the EMF capitol of the world! Except for the twitch in my neck, the colors in the sky, and the ringing in my ears…so far so good!
Would they allow me to train , I mean punching stacks of goo i mean Spam lol
They actually have a fairly decent museum. 
shhh do not tell m wife she took me to the mustard museum http://mustardmuseum.com/the-mustard-museum/
Kinda tells that i live on the edge doesnt it lolol.
Cool… I heard about that one, but have never been!!! 
Plan t when the mustard festival is on . thats when we went . I am telling you we live for excitement
Did you say f-e-s-t-i-v-a-l ??? Holy crap, I’m in !!! :mrgreen:
To get back to the post. As constrained by logic, the one proposing a new thing (i.e., that EMF radiation is a human health hazard AND that EMF radiation levels that one encounters in everyday life are high enough to be a human health hazard) has the burden to produce the proof. In this case, since we are dealing with measurable physical phenomonon, the type of proof required is scientific proof (i.e., proof derived following the scientific method).
There is no scientific, peer reviewed studies that I have seen or heard of that shows either a correlative or a causative relationship between EMF levels (at the levels that one would encounter in everyday life) and human health problems. In fact, every peer reviewed study that I have seen has failed to show any relationship.
as to people calling on me to show proof, logic shows that a) one cannot prove a negative and b) that the burden of proof is on the one positing the new claim.
Hope this helps;
We’ve just been killin’ time waiting for you.
The proof is on tv every Wednesday night. Don’t you watch any of those paranormal chasing programs? Some of those guys are totally NUCKING FUTS!!! (Especially that one named Zak)! :mrgreen:
Oh, you mean it is bogus inspection because you think EMF isn’t dangerous. Whether something has been proven dangerous, is actually dangerous, or is believed by the client to possibly be dangerous are three very different things.
An EMF inspection doesn’t determine if EMFs are dangerous… it determines if they are there.
Excuse me. I had to work.
I can make millions inspecting houses for ghostsm if I have to.
Why would anyone want their house inspected for EMF (excessive) if they were not already convinced that a) they had excessive EMF and b) that EMF was harmful. Inspections are (usually) to discover and report on “defects”.
In any case, I prefer to be honest, ethical and to live in reality and not in X-Files land.
- Not proven dangerous. Case closed.
- Is not, actually, dangerous. Case closed.
- Client lives in a fantasy world and their check will probably bounce, or they will tie you up with bogus litigation. I prefer not to work for people who are delusional.
But that’s just me
So you are saying that radon, mold, asbestos, and lead paint were not actually dangerous during the time period before they were shown to be?
I was not calling you out Will if your referring to my questions i just wondered if you had first hand experience on the subject. And if you did what was the results. The questions i asked if it was relating to EMF . I lived in a rural area and the Milk reduction had been studied . And was wondering why they will not allow Building such as schools and home within so many feet of High tension lines that is all .
I know the emf thing has been bounced around a lot, I had a lady ask for one here because her son had brain tumors and the home they were looking at was close to high voltage lines .
I find the subject interesting thats all.
I have read a lot of the pros and cons on line and was hoping you could enlighten us with experience
These were always a safety hazard to house occupants. although much of the danger is overblown, in my opinion (the EPA standard for Radon, for example, is a totally arbitrary standard, just like the current standard for radiation exposure for radiation workers. Oh, well, they will appeal to the “no level is a safe level” argument.)
But, my point was that all these had some proof that they were hazardous, it just took people looking for that hazard, and proving it, scientificaly (the case is still to be made for mold. almost all molds are harmless to humans (i.e. mildew, mushrooms, truffels, etc)).
The EMF hazard has been very well studied since the late 1940s, and there is, to date, NO peer reviewed, scientific study that shows either correlative or causative human health hazards to "normal (i.e., commonly found in the public or residential space) levels of EMF. Believe me, I have checked and continue to check. I have also seen, with my own eyes, a death caused by EMF, when I interned at Fermilab when I was in college. The victim got caught in the Bevitron tunnel when they powered up the magents. Some millions of gauss. Fried the poor guy’s nervous system and he just dropped dead.
But, there is no commonly accessable area in the generally public or residential areas that has anywhere near that level of EMF.
For an example: The 1962 air burst nuclear tests off Hawaii where the EMF radiation knocked out electrical systems, radios and other electrical equipment (documented)
With additional attendant “speculation”. Yet, there was NEVER any reported human effects of health hazards.
So. it is not a matter of a danger that has not yet been discovered, it is a case of a hazard that has been greatly looked for and never found.
Again, the case for a hazard is in the court of those who posit the hazard to prove. And that has not been done.
Counter arguement?
They do not allow people to build under high tension lines for a very simple reason. High tension lines, like all metal cables, can snap and fall. If you live beneath them, you can get killed. The electrical power companies do not want that kind of liability.
As to the so-called milk studies, they have never been peer reviewed (i.e., re-created results under controlled, scientific conditions by others). That is the base level of proof that is required for scientific proof.
No offense taken. I just get really PO’d when people claim stuff that is just simply not proven or based in fact or evidence.
For example: I had a client who wanted a mold test. No evidence of mold or water intrusion and thermal imaging was clear. Did an air sample test and the lab (Pro-lab) said it was clean. Cleint didn’t like this and DEMANDED a re-test. I brough along a glass vial with a small piece of dirt in it (from my back yard). I told the client that I had a mold sample of Stacky. She was perfectly OK, but when I opened the vial, she immediately started coughing, sneezing and starting to get red in the face.
I told her that the vial merely contained a piece of dirt. She got mad and said that she would sue me for “trying to kill (her) because I was part of the conspirancy”. I left.
What she had was the Placebo effect. Honest, measurable, physical and documentable medical responses to what she truely believed to be a sample of dangerous mold. The medical effects and reaction were very real.
However, the response was caused, entirely, by her own body based upon here belief that there was actual mold in the vial. She, quite simply, WILLED herself to have a medical reaction to something that was not real. In other words, she deluded her body into reacting, simply because she believed that there was a hazard. Never underestimate the ability of a person to BS themselves, even to a piont close to death.
But, that is in the realm of psychology, not science or home inspection.
Hope this helps;
You are assuming that someone acts irrationally when they worry about a risk that hasn’t been scientifically proven to exist yet.
Every recalled prescription drug was once FDA-approved.
I am going to ask **Will **this question!
Can you disturb your electrical impulses in your body? YES/NO
Can you destroy your TV with just a strong magnet YES/NO
Can you see the effects of EMF YES/NO
If your body works on electrical impulses to think and function any impact you receive can and will effect you with over exposure to high levels of EMF.
Just like 5 Milliamps amps can kill you by stopping your heart.
EMF can mess with your electrical balance and that is why people on occasion will ask to check for EMF in the area where they sleep or work.