Ok I checked it again to see if I made any** incorrect statements** and no I did not.
Still is correct here in Canada and Ontario not to use the plug outlet outside any closet,cupboard,cabinets ect enclosure.
But this does not apply to the US.
Ignore the next Post and go to OntarioAchi.ca to get the full rules of 26-710(i) it is posted along with subset rules.
You changed the conditions again.
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The issue was CLOSETS**
No one is questioning enclosures.
For those interested I posted the relevant Canadian code section form 2002 and 2009 editions in this thread:
http://www.nachi.org/forum/f52/certified-master-inspector-coe-73399/
No mention of the word closet.
Does not matter even if it didn’t. Still speaks of any enclosure. CLOSET CUPBOARD CABINETS ECT. the ect means anything that contains a plug outlet. The plug outlet can only be used within the enclosure according to 2000, 2002, 2009, CEC and also applies to Ontario ESA.
Ignore the next post
No it doesn’t and the word Closet is not used in the code for prohibited areas.
I posted the code sections for 2002 and 2009. Go look at them.
So you are going to **forbid **your client from plugging their vacuum in there to clean their bedroom carpet? Good luck with that!
What you fail to see is the **intent **of the code, which is to prevent it’s use by “permanenty mounted fixtures” outside of the ‘enclosure’, such as a television or stereo system. This is why one rarely sees the receptacles mounted within reach of the doorway.
At least you are finally accepting that they are allowed in “enclosures” at all.
I always did KNOW and never did I mention what you are pointing out or do I say this to my CLIENTS.
Besides I never mention CODE either!
Ignore the next post
That is not true. You kept claiming the word Closet was in the code as applied to locations where an receptacle could not be used.
It’s in the thread, on your own blog and over at inspection news for everyone to see.
Why lie about what everyone knows you posted?
You were called on it by several members, an electrician and anyone who could read.
It is in the CODE and even it wasn’t It does not give the Americans a right to attack a CANADIAN PROFESSIONAL no matter what you or any of your friends say.
CODE IS A MINIMUM AND CERTAINLY NOT RESPECTED BY MOST PROFESSIONALS.
Ignore the next post.
Listen KEVIN, with all due respect and that isn’t much.
It is not in the code and you have not shown were it is.
I posted both 2002 and 2009.
If it is in a later edition please post a picture of the code page as I did.
If the two of you could stop attacking each other and go look in the code you would find that one of you is looking at the section dealing with kitchen closets and the other is dealing with clothes closets in bedrooms. When each of you have taken the time to look in the other section maybe you could both apologize and quit throwing insults at each other. OK?
I did. I posted both the 2002 and and 2009 section.
Please post the one you are speaking of.
I have asked you before.
Like I already said Michael there are 2 parts and half a page of subrules.
Verne is right and this has already been pointed out on POST# 51 on InspectionNews forum. The Info comes from ESA safety authority in Ontario.
I have also posted the correct one to use for CLOTHES CLOSETS.
I checked Ontario ammendmants to the CEC. Sorry but it is not in there.
Also Vern stated it was across Canada.
And you back tracked and changed your previous stance.
Also post 51 on IN is the same ESA stuff you posted here. It is not code.It is not handbook. It is his opinion.
Nothing adds up and it it all be cleared up by posting a picture of what you now claim again to be true.
I don’t know what to say if you don’t have respect for a ESA Electrical Inspector whether it is from a forum or not.
The question was asked and he gave the Code Rule from the East within it plus the rational.
Verne from the West told you what is in the Code rule for his area.
No more will be added by me.
All provincial electrical codes are based on CSA standards.
Each province modifies it to suit local conditions.
The CSA (Canadian Standards Association), is a group of representative manufacturers that develop standards that products and their use are to meet before they can be used in this country.
The electrical standard is just one of very many standards from paving stones to tooth brushs.
I know what the code says for both kitchen closets and clothes closets and I do not have a problem with what it says. You however do because you keep insisting that only the part you posted is all of it when it is not.
It would be more beneficial to you to look it up your self. It would be a good learning experience for you.
Just to be clear the Kitchen closet described in your post is a small cabinet meant to be used for the storage of small appliances and receptacles for these appliances is acceptable.
Closes closets on the other hand should not have receptacles because of the increased risk of fire. You will also find clearly defined locations where light fixtures can be placed again because of the fire hazard these fixtures and receptacles have.
I never said it was all of it. I posted what appeared to be the relevant section.
Please post the section that convinces you you can’t have receptacles in walk in closets.
I understand the kitchen issue but that is not what has been claimed by Kevin and now you.
This has all been about walk in closets as posted by Kevin.
What section are you referring to with regard to walk in closets?
We can put this sorry mess behind everyone if you are forthcoming.
I fully admit I can be wrong but require more evidence than you have presented.
Not likely Michael!
Go directly over to the CANADIAN ONLY Members section for more clarification of the issue.
You started this mess
Please finish it.