A 90% pass rate is too high. $hit… even our entrance exam has only a 40% pass rate: http://exams.nachi.org/oe/stats.php (takes a moment to compile and upload so be patient as it is live data).
The problem I have with peer review is the fact that it is not very hard
to do a correct inspection on the day you are in front of your judges. (the
Canadians already have an 85 - 90% pass ratio for a novice, so it cannot
be too hard).
But when inspectors get into the field is when their true nature shows up
and they cut corners for various reasons (pleasing the realtor, rushing
to get finished, poor work ethics etc…).
At least CMI requires for an inspector to endure 3 years in actual experience
and racking up 1000 inspection/education hours.
Unless someone can correct my understanding of what they are trying
to tell us.
As to using high speed Internet and letting an inspector take the review
panel with them as he walks through the a test inspection (in his personal
location)… that might be plausible. But my comments above would
still cause me to hesitate on the idea.
So far the average inspector only has a 10% chance of making it to CMI.
Dead on John.
Terry
Thanks. I like to make people think and see what they always haven’t been able to see on their own.
Three years doing bad inspections because no one has been mentored. Teach them right from wrong in the early stages in my opinion.
Aren’t we just a bit impatient, John?
I’ll answer your last question first. - No, a novice inspector could not qualify for a Test Inspection with Peer Review. First there are some basic mandatory requirements including:
- Minimum of ONE year in practice as a Home & Property Inspector
- Minimum of 150 fee paid SOP compliant inspections in Canada
- Signed agreement to comply with SOP and COE
The Certification Council reviews a person’s application and weights in for three categories:
-
Personal Background: (Maximum 250 Points)
a) Completed degree HPI Training Courses: Degrees, diplomas, trade tickets, and relevant designations - 50 points each
b) Uncompleted degrees, etc. - 25 points
c) Years operating a construction company or related business. - 25 points per year -
HPI Training Courses (Maximum 500 Points)
a) Hours of ACCREDITED HPI Training courses since 1990 - 3 points per hour.
b) Hours of NON-ACCREDITED HPI training since 1990 (Includes workshops, conferences, etc.) - 2 points per hour
c) Hours of field training since 1990 - 4 points per hour. -
Fee Paid inspections: (Maximum 500 points)
Number of fee paid inspections since 1990 ( 1 point per inspection)
The points from each section are added and they must exceed 850 to qualify to take the TIPR’s.
This is the short version, since there are a few options mixed in, but this gives you the gist of it.
All of the information must be supported by certificates or other documentation.
Hope this helps.
Bill Mullen
Now you bring up mentoring.
Have ALL Canadians inspectors been mentored? How many
inspection? Are they required to be mentored for so many inspections
before they go before the peer review process?
or… are you blowing smoke?
A 90% pass ratio sounds like a fairly easy walk in the park to me.
3 years in actual buinesss does not allow that much grace. IMHO.
OK… a novice 1 year inspector can partake of a peer review that has
an approx. 90% pass ratio. (the InterNACHI entrance test has far less
that can pass at that ratio… it only allow 40% to pass).
Most insurance companies still consider this type of inspector a high
risk novice. Sorry, but I think it is clear that your program is nice, but
does not compare to CMI.
CMI =
No novices… but 3 years exp. required.
1000 exp/edu points.
Well, you understood wrong. I know you were hoping that was the case, and I see now you’re trying to build a case all about that. Your basic premise is flawed, John.
Bill Mullen
Well regardless what you think NC is the benchmark. They are set in stone now and to late for Nachi to do anything about it. So who is blowing smoke now?
The CMI standards in Canada take back row in the scheme of things. This is what happens when decisions are made state side without input by Canadians by something that you say will change their business. The fact remains once again that CMI is no threat to the National. 
Ray,
I guess you got preferential treatment due to special circumstances…to which by the way, I didn’t agree and express my opinion.
You were the one who challenged CMI… so I wanted to give you fair trail
and let you present your case. You did well.
CMI still wins… IMHO.
It sounds like a nice program and something you can be proud of.
With all due respect, John, it really doesn’t matter what you think. Those who matter in Canada have deemed the NCP a very good program, and one that can work across the country. The CMI and NCH have been compared side by side by outside professionals and the NCP is the only one considered credible, rigorous and defensible.
Please stop insulting us by comparing the results of a rigid, proctored peer review test with an online test taken by anyone with internet access. Of course yours has a high failure rate. High School kids try passing it at parties for gods sake, and many are successful.
John, this doesn’t have to turn into a pissing match about who is best, but you and Nick seem determined to make it so.
The NCP and the CMI are two different animals with two very different objectives.
Bill Mullen
No one is trying to threaten you or Canada. Relax.
I didn’t challenge the CMI. In fact, I said then and I’ll say again that it has a lot of merit.
Just for fun, ask Nick who gave him the point system idea.
There’s no reason the CMI and NCP can’t be used in tandem to improve the lot of all of us.
Bill Mullen
I agree. Thanks for your input Bill.
It’s important to John and I that CMI keep its #1 slot in the list of meaningful professional designations, so we have to keep our eyes open and research any up and coming designations like NCP. It sounds overly competitive, but really all we are doing is making sure we haven’t forgotten something that another program thought of. If another group comes up with a good idea, we’ll be the first to say so and adopt it for CMI.
It’s nice to see Bill and Ray working together.
NCP is a fine program BTW.
Good. So lets work together instead of the other way. I don’t want to get into a fight with anybody that has punched Iron Mike.
Bill M.