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Originally Posted By: rcooke
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The home Inspectors In FLORIDA are a lot more relaxed today.


GOVERNOR BUSH has just VEOTED Home Inspectors Bill that could have
effected many home inspectors in FLORIDA.
The Home Inspectors in Florida where given a copy of the Bill ahead of
time so they had a chance to read it and voice their opinions on this Bill .

I Can only Hope we Canadians have a chance to read the pending
regulations that we have heard are coming down very soon.

From what I hear they hope to have this regulation acted on almost
instantly ,when only a very few have knowledge on some thing that
could effect all Home Inspectors in Canada.

It would be most unfortunate for some thing so important as this does
not get some input from the majority of home inspectors Nation Wide .

We are fortunate to have this NACHI site to get some very
important information to many Canadians.

--
Roy Cooke Sr.

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Originally Posted By: clawrenson
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Perhaps this may serve as a reminder as well as the draft copy distributed earlier late last fall. Was it not kicked about enough back than, even right here on this forum. Memories must be short. How can some claim there was NO consultation? This is not new. In fact it was in existence prior to NACHI in Canada. Should the process wait for the next new association too?


http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?p=124887#124887


Until the permission is granted to publicly release an "official" version the document will not be released.

Seems that some still want to believe that CAHPI and the government agencies supporting this initiative are "naive" to the rights and laws of the land in Canada. That is so far from the truth. Lets deal with the facts not "speculation". Suggestions or letters to Ministers or other authorities are simply causing yet another delay in the process. So its now waiting on your time. Seems like a paradox you want information - but you can't wait, and it must be on your terms.

That's the end of my comments, until there are real facts to talk about.

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Ontario Home Inspections Inc.

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Originally Posted By: clawrenson
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BTW: It is not a “regulation” - it is a “voluntary” national certification process. But if you snooze you loose! Please don’t shoot the messenger. I already have enough issues dealing with collateral damage and fall out because of this, by NACHI people dragging my name in this.

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Ontario Home Inspections Inc.

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Originally Posted By: rcooke
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clawrenson wrote:
Perhaps this may serve as a reminder as well as the draft copy distributed earlier late last fall. Was it not kicked about enough back than, even right here on this forum. Memories must be short. How can some claim there was NO consultation? This is not new. In fact it was in existence prior to NACHI in Canada. Should the process wait for the next new association too?
http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?p=124887#124887

Until the permission is granted to publicly release an "official" version the document will not be released.

Seems that some still want to believe that CAHPI and the government agencies supporting this initiative are "naive" to the rights and laws of the land in Canada. That is so far from the truth. Lets deal with the facts not "speculation". Suggestions or letters to Ministers or other authorities are simply causing yet another delay in the process. So its now waiting on your time. Seems like a paradox you want information - but you can't wait, and it must be on your terms.

That's the end of my comments, until there are real facts to talk about.


Claude ,Thanks for your thoughts . I am concerned that this Initiate
could slide through with out most Home inspectors even knowing about it and
having any say in their future.
I wonder why this information is only coming to those who are reading
the NACHI site.
I also feel that Home inspectors who could loose their lively hood should
have a chance to give feed back and protect their future.
I was at the only meeting that I know of where it was explained and I
and many others came away with a strange feeling this would be a done
deal and that's the way it goes .
Sorry I can not be complacent with the future of the Home Inspection
Industry in Canada. I Can not live with trust us we will do a good job .
I do believe this will be coming down almost any time now and still only
Avery few are privileged to know what is happening .

Claude says.





BTW: It is not a “regulation” - it is a “voluntary” national certification process.


But if you snooze you loose!


Please don’t shoot the messenger. I already have enough issues dealing with


collateral damage and fall out because of this,


by NACHI people dragging my name in this.



Claude said it is Voluntary Snooze you loose.


The way I was told if you expect to be a successful home inspector
in Canada JOIN CAHPI.

This does not sound like it is Voluntary to me.
Claude please I am so glad at least we are getting a little information .
It is so unfortunate that home inspectors across Canada
did not get a chance for their input . Again Thank you Claude I do appreciate it

--
Roy Cooke Sr.

http://Royshomeinspection.com
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Originally Posted By: Bill Mullen RHI
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Roy Cooke said:


"The way I was told if you expect to be a successful home inspector


in Canada JOIN CAHPI.


This does not sound like it is Voluntary to me. "


Roy:

I don't know where you get your misinformation but let me say one thing very clearly, and I stand behind the truth in this statement with my very reputation. When I was in Kingston and that question came up, I answered that it would be preferable if all inspectors joined CAHPI, but at that point, the decision about the need to join CAHPI or not had not been made. It has now been made and all are welcome.

Any Home Inspector in Canada can apply for National Certification. You will NOT have to join CAHPI or one of its Associations to apply or to receive the certification.

How's that? No ifs, ands or buts.

Bill Mullen RHI
Sarnia

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Originally Posted By: Dave Bottoms
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Originally Posted By: lewens
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Now that I have a defiitive answer as far as I’m concerned that is the end of it.

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From The Great White North Eh?
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Originally Posted By: rcooke
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Bill Mullen RHI wrote:
Roy Cooke said:
"The way I was told if you expect to be a successful home inspector
in Canada JOIN CAHPI.

This does not sound like it is Voluntary to me. "


Roy:

I don't know where you get your misinformation but let me say one thing very clearly, and I stand behind the truth in this statement with my very reputation. When I was in Kingston and that question came up, I answered that it would be preferable if all inspectors joined CAHPI, but at that point, the decision about the need to join CAHPI or not had not been made. It has now been made and all are welcome.

Any Home Inspector in Canada can apply for National Certification. You will NOT have to join CAHPI or one of its Associations to apply or to receive the certification.

How's that? No ifs, ands or buts.

Bill Mullen RHI
Sarnia

Again Decisions are being made ( So we are told ) and the home
inspectors who are the ones these decisions are being made for are not
kept in the loop and are not being asked for their opinions.
I was at a meeting in New York and they too are going through a change.
They are trying to make sure all interested parties are part of the decision .
( I am not saying New York has the best ideas ) .
They have a committee to be made up of three home inspectors
one from NACHI One from ASHI and one from another organization.
They also will have three made up from John Q public one of who can be a realestate person
( Not necessary so though)
They will have continuous meeting through the state so that if
possible the are trying to avoid confutation and court Challenges .
Sounds like they just might be trying to do things properly to me.
So strange to me that we have to go to the NACHI board to get information .
This seems to be the only place that inspectors
can get open dialogue.

Strange how with out this board and the questions we all would still know
very little .
Every time this subject comes up out comes a little more information.
It will be interesting to see the final draft when it is released.

--
Roy Cooke Sr.

http://Royshomeinspection.com
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Originally Posted By: clawrenson
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I simply don’t believe and take the information here any different than reading the local news or listening to idle gossip. I suggest people sort out fact from fiction, and keep their eyes open on the real or perceived deals to be had.

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Ontario Home Inspections Inc.

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Originally Posted By: lewens
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Why is it Claude that I rarely see any posts by you or Mr. Bottoms anywhere but in the NACHI forum? I am sure you have much more to offer than just your views on CHIBO. It leads me to believe you are not intersested in anything but CHIBO on this board. Why are we not allowed to post on the CAHPI board or the OAHI board?

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Just my usual 12.5 cents


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Originally Posted By: rcooke
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clawrenson wrote:
I don't disagree with you Roy - but its not the only venue. It is also very strange to see those that have invested nothing in the process - expect the most. Are you also implying that there is no need to visit the association meeting groups and give them the "real" facts from the people who helped create this initiative?

Is it also equally not strange at all - that information posted on this board is sometimes factual and other parts are BS? Quite a number of posts can be helpful and other seem to simply be to stir the pot of debate. Or perhaps even some that personally attack people, (so much for ethics) and others that use that information to create division within this sector. And not to forget about those close to the heart of NACHI that seem to magically disappear. Not to forget about those that busted their asses for NACHI development in Canada and now seemed to be treated with contempt! Why would they change their minds and dedication and leave NACHI - if things were so perfect?

So although the dialogue does bring out some of positive points - it is also riddled with its own brand of negativity and issues. Sometimes it makes other discussion boards look pretty tame. So in fairness it seems that other associations might share the same issues. None are perfect, and none are really any better than the others. Some simply seem to be "legends in their own mind".

But one thing I know for sure - I simply don't believe and take the information here any different than reading the local news or listening to idle gossip. I suggest people sort out fact from fiction, and keep their eyes open on the real or perceived deals to be had.



To paraphrase Claude’s words I feel the same thing has happened with OAHI .



Is it also equally not strange at all - that information posted on the CANUK board is sometimes factual and other parts are BS? Quite a number of posts can be helpful and other seem to simply be to stir the pot of debate. Or perhaps even some that personally attack people, (so much for ethics) and others that use that information to create division within this sector. And not to forget about those close to the heart of OAHII that seem to magically disappear. Not to forget about those that busted their asses for OAHI development in Canada and now seemed to be treated with contempt! Why would they change their minds and dedication and leave OAHI - if things were so perfect?


Strange how things go around and come back to the same thing .
Interesting
Dave is a prime example of continue complaining and never giving any help on this forum.
I might rub some the wrong way at times but I have never varied in trying to better this industry at all times.
Some say I bash OAHI all I have asked for is follow the rules I am constant in that Follow the rules.

--
Roy Cooke Sr.

http://Royshomeinspection.com
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Originally Posted By: clawrenson
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Larry - your comments are simply amazing. Matter of fact I have and do offer so much more. I even resonded to a few questions on the member forum today and likely do so from time to time even about helping other members. SO WOW, I hope that is not too shocking!


Ask your buddy Nick if Claude and the directors of Inspection Support Services in Canada has offered any value to NACHI within the last year. Ask him if ISS was the only Canadian company represented at the NACHI Conference. Ask Nick if Claude "volunteered" (at his own cost) to be a speaker for 2 days at that conference. Not to mention the cost to ISS to attend that conference as an exhibitor. Hey even ask Nick to repost those infamous photos of his friends from Canada from the Florida conference.

BTW: Where were you in January 2005? Did you put any money out of your pocket and make the same commitment? Perhaps you will next time.

While you are at it ask Gerry Beaumont on the education committee if I do nothing for NACHI.

Hopefully you might see once again that I am not a single focused as you might think that I am. Perhaps you don't know me well enough. Perhaps once again you are making another "assumption". You know what they say about assumptions? So I suggest that you do your homework first before making such redundant comments personally about me.

To answer the latter part of your comment - perhaps you or others may be interested in joining. Its as easy as that. Than you can post away! Besides why bother you don't have to spend the money to post there - the forums already have NACHI moles invading those and other sites, all you have to do is listen to their gossip.

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Ontario Home Inspections Inc.

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Originally Posted By: rcooke
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Bill Mullen RHI wrote:
Roy Cooke said:
"The way I was told if you expect to be a successful home inspector
in Canada JOIN CAHPI.

This does not sound like it is Voluntary to me. "


Roy:

I don't know where you get your misinformation but let me say one thing very clearly, and I stand behind the truth in this statement with my very reputation. When I was in Kingston and that question came up, I answered that it would be preferable if all inspectors joined CAHPI, but at that point, the decision about the need to join CAHPI or not had not been made. It has now been made and all are welcome.

Any Home Inspector in Canada can apply for National Certification. You will NOT have to join CAHPI or one of its Associations to apply or to receive the certification.

How's that? No ifs, ands or buts.

Bill Mullen RHI
Sarnia


Bill I think you for coming here and giving us some more information .
It is so important for all Home Inspectors In Canada to get as much
info as possible and this is great that more keeps coming out as time
goes on thanks Roy Cooker sr

--
Roy Cooke Sr.

http://Royshomeinspection.com
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Originally Posted By: rcooke
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Bill Mullen RHI wrote:
Roy Cooke said:
"The way I was told if you expect to be a successful home inspector
in Canada JOIN CAHPI.

This does not sound like it is Voluntary to me. "


Roy:

I answered that it would be preferable if all inspectors joined CAHPI, but at that point, the decision about the need to join CAHPI or not had not been made. It has now been made and all are welcome.

Any Home Inspector in Canada can apply for National Certification. You will NOT have to join CAHPI or one of its Associations to apply or to receive the certification.

How's that? No ifs, ands or buts.

Bill Mullen RHI
Sarnia


Bill said all are welcome to join CAHPI .
Can you please give us the information on how to join CAHPI
and what the cost is .
Thanks Roy C sr

--
Roy Cooke Sr.

http://Royshomeinspection.com
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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Claude is one of NACHI’s most valuable members, but not so much because of Inspection Support Services, and not so much because he is an excellent educator, and not so much because he volunteers so much of his energy for NACHI, and not so much because he is my friend… but because if you need a straight answer… he always tries to give it to you (if he knows the answer). There are some men you can trust from day one… Claude is such a man. I believe every word he says… and that makes him a very valued NACHI member.

–
Nick Gromicko


Founder


dues=79cents/day.


I much prefer email to private messages.
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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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. And membership in NACHI is a smart business decision with or without government intervention.


I know the unknown in Canada is scary. It is a coin toss. But heads our members win, tales our members win big ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif) .

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Nick Gromicko
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Originally Posted By: clawrenson
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Thanks Nick for your kind words, and viewpoints of fairness and impartiality. That what it is really all about!


Regards, Claude

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Ontario Home Inspections Inc.

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Originally Posted By: rbrown1
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ALL Associations have something to offer it’s members. Some more, some less. Some have great educational benefits, others don’t.


Some cost more than others. Others are temporally free. Some have entrance exams, some don't have any.

I am constantly amazed by people in this industry who get scared at the possibility of one association doing something that the others don't know about.

This IS a business and it is up to the person in THIS business to do what is best for HIM/HER first and everything else comes second.

Everyone is worried that one association will get one up over the other.

Why? If it bothers anyone that much there is a simply solution..........Join that association. Is there a problem belonging to more than one........... I think not.

If everyone gave to any association as much as they take, ALL association would be far better off.

Regardless of what is going on here in Canada with CHIBO, it has been obvious that anyone who wants to join in, can. It all depends on what you want as to what you join as to what you get out of it.

No different than belonging to various other groups, associations, clubs etc., if it works for you great if it doesn't don't join.

There is a cost to conducting business and if you are in business costs will range. It is up to you as to how much it is worth.

Remember one thing that I believe people tend to forget.............
This is an investment like no other, it is run by you and if it fails it's because of you, why? Because you are investing in yourself!

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Bob Brown
President NACHI Du-Ka Chapter ON. Canada
NACHI Cell: 1-484-429-5465

ACISS Home Inspections
bob@aciss.biz

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Originally Posted By: Bill Mullen RHI
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Roy Cooke said:


"Bill said all are welcome to join CAHPI .
Can you please give us the information on how to join CAHPI
and what the cost is .
Thanks Roy C sr "

Roy:

I might not have been perfectly clear. Everyone is certainly welcome to join CAHPI through one of its associations, although it is not mandatory. However, everyone is also welcome to apply for National Certification without joining a CAHPI association.
As far as cost, that has not been determined yet. We have to have all the numbers crunched by experts so that the process is viable.

Bill Mullen RHI
Sarnia, Ont.

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Originally Posted By: Bill Mullen RHI
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That’s right, Bob.


There's nothing stopping anyone from belonging to more than one association.

There should be no fear of the CHIBO National Initiative. In fact, all genuine Home Inspectors should welcome it because it goes a long way to professionalize our industry.

To make a minor correction to Nick's comments...... The National Certification is not Government run. We have enjoyed their financial help and guidance, and we will benefit from their help in publicizing the plan. However, this certification was developed by Home Inspectors for Home Inspectors and it will be run by Home Inspectors.

All decisions have been made by Home Inspectors after very extensive consultations throughout the industry for almost eight years.

Bill Mullen RHI