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Originally Posted By: rbrown1
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I have been criticized many times on here by others stating the only reason I joined NACHI was to promote my business, businesses.


True that is ONE reason but NOT the only reason and if anyone can say that I don't give back as much as I receive they must be blind.

NACHI promoting me or allowing me to promote myself works for me!
Me and or my Companies promoting NACHI works for me as well.

I don't think either of us are worried who promotes who more. In fact It is a heck of a lot of fun.

Meet many good people and some who aren't so great. No different than walking down the street or meeting people in a bar, ya just got to weed out the a--holes and hang with the people you like.

I go out of my way (at my own cost) to meet others in this Association and I have seen others do the same. I think that is great. Share war stories and talk about this business, share different strategies, talk about how to get more business and so on and so on and so on.

Life is way too short to constantly be worried. Take a pill and chill. Things will always work out!

--
Bob Brown
President NACHI Du-Ka Chapter ON. Canada
NACHI Cell: 1-484-429-5465

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Originally Posted By: rbrown1
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Welcome back Bill, we have missed you eh!


BTW.... when you and Claude are ready to make that announcement I would be more than happy to hold a large meeting so that you and Claude can enlighten us all.

Hell I'll even hire security guards ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)

Some people just can't wait for Christmas! ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)

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Bob Brown
President NACHI Du-Ka Chapter ON. Canada
NACHI Cell: 1-484-429-5465

ACISS Home Inspections
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Originally Posted By: rwand
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R. Brown said:


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Why? If it bothers anyone that much there is a simply solution..........Join that association. Is there a problem belonging to more than one........... I think not.


Bill Mullen said:
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There's nothing stopping anyone from belonging to more than one association.


I have got news for you two. There is a big problem apparently belonging to two associations. It just depends what second association you belong to. If you belong to Oahi/Cahpi and Ashi you are okay. If however you choose to belong to Oahi/Cahpi and Nachi you are an outcast! That is a fact and that is why Oahi at least will have nothing to do with Nachi!

As to the National it started out as a Cahpi thing only, then there was going to be no grandfathering, then you had to belong to Oahi and/or Cahpi, now it seems its open to anyone willing to have review completed by a certification council. My how things change for the better. I have to agree more information has come out on this board than the other boards. Hell even Oahi members seem to have been left in the dark! I guess one could assume Oahi members are not as savy as some inspectors who belong to Nachi at asking the questions.

Now I think you all should not be so complacent with what will eventually be the certification council. The makeup of the Certification Council should raise a concern or two based on what you and I know. Last time it was going to be made up of realestate agents, insurance industry folks and lawyers. Do you really want to be overseen by realtors and lawyers?

It ain't over til the fat lady sings! The devil will be in the details.

My view and my opinions.

--
The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. - Sir William Osler 1905

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Originally Posted By: rwand
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Nick said:


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Furthermore, any inspector that is going to not only survive, but succeed financially in the home inspection business will realize (some slower than others) that this home inspection business is just that... a business. And membership in NACHI is a smart business decision with or without government intervention.


Okay, please remember you are dealing with Canadians. What goes in the states does not mean it is gospel in Canada. I have belonged to three associations. As far as I am concerned not one of them has done anything to foster my business, I have done that solely and don't rely on the associations to accomplish that for me.

All associations are not created equally, and no association is the clear winner!

Personally I would rather be overseen by a Council appt. by the Provincial Government, and a BOD elected by the membership reports to the Council. That would clean things up real fast and put everyone on a level playing field and ensure the rules are followed.

My sermon for today! ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)

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The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. - Sir William Osler 1905

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Registered Home Inspector (R.H.I.)
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Originally Posted By: rbrown1
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Morning Ray,


Correct me if I am reading this the wrong way but, are you saying that if an Inspector belongs to NACHI, they will have trouble being accepted into OAHI?

Or, once they belong to OAHI they will be considered to be an outcast by various members because they also belong to NACHI?

Being an outcast is one thing. Not being able to join is another.

--
Bob Brown
President NACHI Du-Ka Chapter ON. Canada
NACHI Cell: 1-484-429-5465

ACISS Home Inspections
bob@aciss.biz

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Originally Posted By: rcooke
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So strange every time I post some moan about Roy.


He keeps bringing up the same old story .


It is past news ? It is settled ? why should you be concerned ?


You just keep going and going?



Well people if it was not for this NACHI site a lot of Home inspectors
would not know what could be happening .
If you go back to my first post you will see we new nothing
and were told we could do nothing .
Strange every time this is brought up there is
more information coming out .
Every time this is brought up they see how much
Home inspectors are upset and they make more changes.
Have a look over 200 hits in one day this is obvious to me how important this is to all
Canadian inspectors .
We are lucky to have NACHI to help us get the message out to all .
I am so glad that MANY directors and others do come an see what are
the concerns and those NAY Sayers are wrong .
There is one particular NAY sayer who would like to destroy
NACHI and shut up those of us who want to improve the
Home Inspection Industry every where.
He complains about every thing and never gives a help to any one .

--
Roy Cooke Sr.

http://Royshomeinspection.com

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Originally Posted By: rbrown1
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You are right Roy,


As much as some can complain about NACHI, this thread alone shows that many people (not just Members) visit to gather information.

As much as the nay-sayers like to pick on NACHI and some of its Members, it allows for many comments to be made and many positive things to get done.

That is the beauty in having an open forum.

--
Bob Brown
President NACHI Du-Ka Chapter ON. Canada
NACHI Cell: 1-484-429-5465

ACISS Home Inspections
bob@aciss.biz

Certified Adult Training Services
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Originally Posted By: rcooke
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rbrown1 wrote:
You are right Roy,

As much as some can complain about NACHI, this thread alone shows that many people (not just Members) visit to gather information.

As much as the nay-sayers like to pick on NACHI and some of its Members, it allows for many comments to be made and many positive things to get done.

That is the beauty in having an open forum.


So true about the open forum .
Bill Mullen has the Canuck forum
and Ray, Roy and Wolf where outspoken like you see here.
Ray was removed not very nicely, I complained about it and was also
removed .
Wolf also told his opinion so he was removed.
It was bad before but it went even worse to now many just
watch or suck up to Bill and Dave big time .
There is a continually telling about how great you are Bill
How much we love you and now most members filter there concerns.
Yes Dave I still have the postings where we were removed and can
post them here if you wish me to show how poor we were treated.
You have buy a huge amount exceeded with your post's on the
NACHI site to what was said on the CANUK site.
I have to say the CANUK site was the best place to trade info
but it not near as good as it was.
They do talk about us and unfortunately we have no chance to
dispute what is said.
They do have moles that report to all what they find interesting
from the NACHI site both open and closed sections.
Strange how they used to complain if some thing was taken from the
CANUK site and given to a non member of the CANUK site .
They never seem to mind when it is removed from the NACHI site
and posted on the CANUK site .

--
Roy Cooke Sr.

http://Royshomeinspection.com
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Originally Posted By: rwand
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Morning Ray,

Correct me if I am reading this the wrong way but, are you saying that if an Inspector belongs to NACHI, they will have trouble being accepted into OAHI?

Or, once they belong to OAHI they will be considered to be an outcast by various members because they also belong to NACHI?

Being an outcast is one thing. Not being able to join is another.



Bob Brown


Bob

I can only tell you based on my first hand experience that if you are currently a member of Oahi and a member of Nachi there is bias. As to being a member of Nachi and then joining Oahi I have not heard of any trouble but I suspect the Nachi member will be given closer scrutiny.

Yes the bias exists, here is a quote from someone who is in management of Oahi had to say about me. I know also that on another closed forum that this same attitude exists as well. Yet there are many members who belong to both associations, you can rest assured the bias is there and just under the surface.

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Raymond Wand will tell you about NACHI an organization that is essentially the business of Nick Gromeko (sp) He has offered Canadian free membership. His certification process is a 1/2 hour on line unproctered test. Ther is no way of knowing who is writting the test or who may be helping them.They then give a CHI credietial that has no meaning.


And the best quote from the same person in the same post states:
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Listen to what Raymond has to say about OAHI. He is a constant vocal critic. For all his critisism Raymond has not seen fit to leave OAHI. He still wants to keep affiliated with a retired membership statuse even though to be a retiered member of OAHI you can't be doing inspections


This is no joke! It sure appears to be a bias statement and one is not allowed to be a critic. Seems these people can say anything make allegations (unfounded) and get away with it.

Gotta love the attitude. And by the way if anyone is being turned down for membership in Oahi or Cahpi then you have a very good legal arguement to make if you are a member of Nachi. Simply being turned down based on membership in another organization is discriminatory and against the law.

Raymond Wand
Alton, ON

--
The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. - Sir William Osler 1905

http://www.raymondwand.ca
NACHI Member
Registered Home Inspector (R.H.I.)
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Originally Posted By: rbrown1
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Thanks for the clarification gentlemen.

–
Bob Brown


President NACHI Du-Ka Chapter ON. Canada


NACHI Cell: 1-484-429-5465


ACISS Home Inspections
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Originally Posted By: clawrenson
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Fellow inspectors - Ray raises a point, but it was not declared as the “public or private” stance of those groups. Yes, I agree there are, or are likely might be statements like that floating about on various forum discussions. But consider this, the “opinion” of a few, and not that of the majority, or from my knowledge the “position” of any association.


It is simple foolishness. As stated before the old cliche - what goes around comes around - so who really is the better in the end! We collectively as a home inspector "sector" will not resemble or even come close to be being professionals until we curb the desire for trash talking and airing dirty laundry about others. I believe real "professionals" resolve their issues internally within those organizations. Like it or not - that is the proper mechanisms. Its not not always perfect or in ones favour - so possibly it serves as a good reality check. I personally know through experience that one disappointing situation brought to the OAHI board that was not found in my favour - really ended up being a blessing in disguise. It is in how you turn those situations into pluses, not negatives.

Those that continue to air the "issues" here may foster some attention, from time to time, but very few things get resolved through this form of media. It gets the information out - but not always absolute in its accuracy or detail. Besides after awhile others become extremely tired of listening or reading it! Perhaps that's when other individuals start labelling those people.

Often as a side note - we may be too tempted to hit the reply button, as knee jerk reaction - rather than sit back and reconsider if we see the same issue in a different light after careful reconsideration.

It is also rather ironic that some of the issues that were faulted of those other associations are slowly creeping through NACHI. So again, its just a matter of time and circumstance.

--
Ontario Home Inspections Inc.

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Originally Posted By: lewens
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Claude


The whole point here is not that I trash any association, I do not and will not, I challenge you to produce a post where I have trashed any association at all, and don’t give me any crap about me proving I didn’t, the onus is on you and the other members of CAHPI/OAHI to do so. So we will let that die in it’s grave. As to me not posting on your boards believe me if I were allowed I would, but, only if I thought I could contribute something of value, not like some of your brethren in CAHPI/OAHI who come here and trash my association and myself along with other members who have a lot to offer the industry as a whole. I suggest you get your own house in order CAHPI/OAHI before you come to this open forum and spout off as to what we do wrong. I have said it before, if someone would have answered the question in the first place as to if membership in CAHPI was manditory or not we would not be here. I have no reservations at all about CHIBO per se and I will reserve judgement about it’s administration when I see how that is going to develop. The whole idea in itself is a good one and I have said so right from the start. I just didn’t and still don’t understand the secrecy. If there is nothing to hide why the secrecy? This is what is beyond comprehension to all not “in the know”.

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Originally Posted By: lewens
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Claude


How is that the first time I question not seeing “many” post from you I am asking a redundent question?

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Originally Posted By: Dave Bottoms
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Originally Posted By: rcooke
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Claude I did for sure not wish to leave OAHI I was a strong supporter


helped where needed sat on various committees and went to all meetings both Toronto and Kingston regularly.


I became severely


disappointed when OAHI did not answer letters does not follow their own


rules and when it was pointed out many times the financial statement was not complete did not balance .


I felt some thing was defiantly wrong .


We had two Treasurers resign and they also stated we have a problem .


It was not being settled properly in my opinion .
The returns for the membership from OAHI was not what I felt it should be and when I was told by a director ,we need to make money at all events or we will never be able to afford to buy our own building .
I then started to really study how things are being run and I decided they are only interested in our money .
There seems to be very slow growth in the RHI membership over the years ( Is this planned ) .
I then put my support with NACHI and feel I and others have had much more support and answers instantly then I ever saw in OAHI.

--
Roy Cooke Sr.

http://Royshomeinspection.com

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Originally Posted By: clawrenson
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First point of clarification - I never stated that you have trashed et al.- perhaps you have confused me for some other person posting that statement. So don’t tag me with such a claim.


Perhaps people with more authority than me have given you the answer to the issue of "mandatory" that you were looking for. That was not my call, without breaching a condition of confidentiality. Seems you opened up a can of worms in Ottawa with your letter writing to the Minister and tried to make me look like a fool! So perhaps that might explain my sensitivity to avoiding your questions - if you understand the meaning of a breach of contract by your attempts of trying to get me to break that confidentiality agreement. Seems that speaks loads for your contempt towards me.

Larry does it offend you that I am a member NACHI. ASHI. CAHPI-OAHI and have a right to an opinion here too? Sorry I am here, and may be intefering with your agenda. Remember there are always different sides to a story.

Again just offering another side to that story.

--
Ontario Home Inspections Inc.

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Originally Posted By: lewens
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Claude


That I opened up a can of worms in Ottawa was my intention. Maybe that can of worms needed to be opened. In the end I got the answer I was looking for and if the answer was forthcoming in the first place I would not have felt the need to write Mr. Fontana, which, by the way, is my right as a Canadian citizen. He, in turn, being the Minister responsible would have been remiss in his duty if he did not make inquiries as to my complaint. I see now that the answer is out in the open you do not want to let it be. I said yesterday that would be the end of it but here we go around and around again. As to you saying that I trashed anyone you in your post implied that we over here trashed your other association and in as much I am over here on this very public and open forum I must be included in that group so in effect you did say I trashed CAHPI/OAHI. It may be semantics but be careful how you address an issue because you don’t know me very well either. I do not, nor will I, back down from an issue just because someone throws me an offhanded threat. I have been warned to be careful of what I say around you by more than one person who know you better than I but you know what, you don’t scare me one bit. I have taken on bigger and better than you in the past and will continue to do so in the future. Some battles I have lost and some I have won. It is the battle itself that I am there for. That is what makes life worthwhile for me. I love the challenge, so, Claude you and I can go head to head for ever or we can meet some day and have a beer together and hash out old times, your choice. I will let bygones be bygones just don’t push and keep Mr. Bottoms on a leash. That man should be muzzled, he is probably rabid, without a doubt he needs a leash. Like I mentioned before if he is indeed the editor of the voice of OAHI, your association has a lot more to worry about than NACHI.

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Originally Posted By: lewens
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Good Lord


Are we having fun yet?

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Originally Posted By: rcooke
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lewens wrote:
Good Lord
Are we having fun yet?


I sure am I enjoy every minute of every day . Life is great to me .
Out for the Day BIG inspection this Afternoon .
TTYL Roy SR

--
Roy Cooke Sr.

http://Royshomeinspection.com
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Originally Posted By: rwand
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Claude said:
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It is simple foolishness. As stated before the old cliche - what goes around comes around - so who really is the better in the end! We collectively as a home inspector "sector" will not resemble or even come close to be being professionals until we curb the desire for trash talking and airing dirty laundry about others. I believe real "professionals" resolve their issues internally within those organizations. Like it or not - that is the proper mechanisms. Its not not always perfect or in ones favour - so possibly it serves as a good reality check. I personally know through experience that one disappointing situation brought to the OAHI board that was not found in my favour - really ended up being a blessing in disguise. It is in how you turn those situations into pluses, not negatives.


Firstly Claude some find that the recommended procedure for rectifying complaints does not work. Replies are not always given or replied to in a timely manner! When the system does not work as intended and stated in the by-laws then people have no choice but to air their dirty laundry! The system has failed me, and others. You don't know what you talking about. Perhaps you need to walk a mile in someone elses shoes. What works for you doesn't work for all. The Oahi Cafe is another perfect example. Depending on your surname you will have posts pulled while others can view and make unfounded comments and their posts remain. That is not acceptable and it is not acceptable under certain areas of law and the constitution.

If you don't like the dirty laundry than stand up and be counted for once.


Raymond Wand
Alton, ON

--
The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. - Sir William Osler 1905

http://www.raymondwand.ca
NACHI Member
Registered Home Inspector (R.H.I.)