Originally Posted By: rwand This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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You should quit in protest!!! That'll show 'em. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif Oh yeah, I forgot, then you'd have nothing to bitch about day in and day out. On the plus side, you'd probably have more time to work on your manifesto in that lil' backwoods cabin of yours. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif
Another non sensical post. What's a matter don't want to show your how little you know about the rules and the by-laws. For someone who wants to come across as knowledgeable you are not doing very well.
Resistance is futile. Take me to your leader.
So what we do know that OAHI is still OAHI and Not CAHPI-ONTARIO. Boy I love it. I guess all the folks who jumped on the bandwagon and are having printing done to reflect the name change on the biz cards may want to think twice. Kinda makes one wonder why Oahi and Cahpi are paying high price legal fees for bad advice. Sure looks to me that the lawyers may not be awares of what has been done.
Please Mr. Bottoms come back with something worth while to say on this topic.
Raymond Wand
Alton, On
-- The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. - Sir William Osler 1905
Originally Posted By: rwand This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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Why don't you go tell them all how wrong they got it over on the OAHI forum? You won't because you have no balls.
You know, Roy might be a couple of bulbs shy of Christmas tree but at least he had enough sense to quit and walk away, even though he can't help but talk about OAHI and CAHPI day and night like a jilted lover. No matter how little I think of Roy, at least that much I can respect. You, on the other hand, don't even have the balls to quit an association you regard with utter contempt and disdain. That, big guy, is the ultimate definition of loser.
Dave
Still waiting for a proper response to the issues. If this is the best retort you can come up with well I am really disappointed once again. I have the balls and have proven time and time again that I am willing to stand up for what is right. While you on the other hand are a downright coward. Never go to a meeting never have move up to RHI, not inspecting part time let alone full time. Even CMHC is recommending staying away from a wanna be. Stooping so low as to threaten people, especially a senior, sending email viruses, using foul language, being suspended from this forum. Yes you continually show just how ignorant you are. You can't debate the facts because its the truth.
Yes you take the cake you really do. Oh by the way... why not write a story about improper procedure for the Canadian Home Inspector Magazine you have a juicy story right in your own back yard of Oahi.
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
-- The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. - Sir William Osler 1905
Originally Posted By: rwand This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Mr. Bottoms
Do you talk in your sleep?
And thank you for illustrating and backing up my claim that I can never get a fair shake in Oahi. You and the cretins are digging yourselves in deeper and deeper.
You should know about AGM's you haven't ever been to one, let alone a regular meeting, let alone a "special meeting".. And yes I was threatened by the ex President of Oahi and there was a room full of witnesses. Just like he threatened three other directors. History has a way of repeating itself in Oahi.
Thank you again for assisting me in getting the truth out I appreciate it. You do it so well.
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
-- The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. - Sir William Osler 1905
Originally Posted By: rwand This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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Shut your cakehole Ratboy, nobody was talking to you. icon_evil.gif If you're unhappy, then put your money where your mouth is and quit. Stop whining and go home, we're all sick to death of listening to your crybabying. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
Dave
Sounds like a threat to me. You are showing your child like intelligence again. I think you need to be reminded once again of the rules and your language.
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
-- The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. - Sir William Osler 1905
Originally Posted By: rwand This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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No matter what, you'll always be my bitch. icon_wink.gif
Sure sounds like a line someone who has spent time in prison would use.
I love it when you talk dirty. Can you say some more sweet nothings?
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Is that all you've got? You're like a freakin broken record. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
Everyone knows your tired stories about me are all garbage you toss onto this forum every time I have to bitch slap some sense into you. You do it because that's all you've got.
Where's your two hens, Larry and Curly, to the rescue? It takes three of you stooges to battle with me because you're all sharing the same brain cell -- and it's long ago turned black from lack of oxygen. Do yourself a favour, loudmouth, sit back and wait for your hens to come a-clucking to your rescue. Alone you don't have what it takes to f--- with me. icon_twisted.gif
No matter what, you'll always be my bitch. icon_wink.gif
Dave
And that F word you really need to find another superlative!
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
-- The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. - Sir William Osler 1905
Originally Posted By: rwand This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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I suspect reason you keep getting threatened is because you're an class-A Asshole. Everyone knows it but your two favourite hens. In time they'll come to know the real you too.
Do us all a big fat favour and quit OAHI and move on with your life. Your criticisms are worthless and you have nothing to offer. I'm sick of listening to your moaning and dripping. icon_rolleyes.gif
For the record, you haven't got a clue what I do and where I go when it comes to OAHI.
Dave
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For the record, you haven't got a clue what I do and where I go when it comes to OAHI.
No but you sure seem to know an awful lot about me. I think you are in love with me. I think you are strange. By the way get this straight I have as much right as anyone else to belong to Oahi. And others better get that through their thick skulls. You have illustrated once again that someone is condoning and abetting your constant attacks. Again the proof you provide is over whelming. Keep talking your big mouth isn't helping you win the war let alone the debate based on facts which you skirt around. You can't stand the truth.
Clean up your mouth and your act Mr. Editor.
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
-- The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. - Sir William Osler 1905
Originally Posted By: rwand This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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P.S. I'm off to bed and I won't be watching or responding to this thread anymore. You're just not worth my time.
Yes when you can't debate and can't score points based on facts I too would put my tail between my legs and run away. I guess someone must have called you and told you to put a lid on it as you were helping in revealing the dirt. You devil you ... I think this is your way of exposing the naked truth. I bet you had this all planned out didn't you?
Thanks so much for your help!
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
-- The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. - Sir William Osler 1905
Originally Posted By: rwand This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Claude
Seeing as the CAHPI-Ontario name change has no force, does that not put you in an awkward spot? I mean you are the Ethics Chair and on the Education Committee, and have taken part and helped with the National. You seem to have put yourself in contradiction. If you know due process has not been followed why are you helping to propogate the irregularities? I don't get it and I think it does nothing to foster your image if your willing to tolerate it and seemingly condone it.
I would really love to hear Mr. Mullens thoughts on this issue too.
I am sorry but I think you and the rest in management have some explaining to do, not to me alone but the whole membership. This calls in to question everything and is not the first time due process and the by-laws and Roberts Rules have not been followed.
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
-- The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. - Sir William Osler 1905
Originally Posted By: rwand This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Claude said:
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Ray you are welcome to your opinion - but your position flies in the face of voting members and the association board that also has the authority to decide items such as that. Perhaps you should really pose that question to OAHI directly. You are a member and you have the same opportunity to "formally" ask that question too. I personally don't have a problem with the name change.
My opinion, yes I am entitled to it, and I am surprised you would shrugg off the by-laws which you have been part of. Knowing what you do and your positions, and senority in both associations would suggest you would have a better understanding for the rules. Obviously you have been negligent in ensuring they are followed or ensuring they are applied equally. Just as you seem to be so vocal about the Nachi forum rules, here you are suggesting it is okay for Oahi to flaunt the rules.
How can my position fly in the face of the voting members? If you don't have a quorum present and further the proxies did not have that question, and 45 days was not given as required in the by-laws flies in the face of proper procedure. This casts doubt on Oahi and its abilities to ensure compliance with its charter and legislation. I am sorry I think you are wrong based on that fact alone. You don't operate a self regulating body by taking straw votes to change something as major as the name. Further PR158 sets out the minimum standard as to setting the by-laws.
As to you not having a problem I am surprised you would even state that considering how it was done. It is also unfortunate many members who like to put initials after their names and claim to be educated would even be unwares or ignorant of this very important matter and how it was decided and acted upon. It also suggests to me that a straw vote was the deciding factor. I find that in itself contrary and most likely any astute lawyer would most definetly frown on it. Regardless the name change therefore remains as Oahi.
As to writing and asking Oahi as I have stated before that is a useless endeavour because I already have outstanding issues that have not been dealt with or have never rec'd an answer. You seem to be able to pick and choose your battles as you see fit and to suit your agenda.
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Possibly to help speed up the process from my POV it seems that business conducted and voted upon this past February at the AGM would seem to have some relevance.
Thats the problem because the name change was done improperly its not really legal! And you can't speed things up by doing them half assed. And if this is your take then how can anyone be assured you or anyone involved will and have acted properly on the National? This is not the first time the rules have been ignored and it appears it is a common way of thinking.
I guess Larry Ewens is right, in order to get proper answers and to ensure fairness one must go over the heads of management. I wonder what Joe Fontana Federal Minister of Housing and Jim Watson (Provincial) Minister of Consumer and Business Services would have to say about this glaring oversite?
Disappointed but not surprised.
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
-- The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. - Sir William Osler 1905
Originally Posted By: rcooke This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
rbrown1 wrote:
Well now, I was concerned about missing a few days on this board. But now all I can say is that I am glad!
See you all on the 11th of July .............I'm outa here and heading south!
Hope you have a good time enjoy . I also hope you leave some of our Canadian ideas on how we can keep NACHI on a roll.
It sure is nice to have an organization that tries to look after all inspectors and keeps sharing with others.
Sorry you feel disappointed with the going on for the last little while but if
you look a bit closer you will see more information keeps coming out that is not available from any other source.
I feel bad for those who think some are bashers,
but I feel it is not bashing when it is the truth.
Strange how the truth sure does upset some people
they feel information should not be given to all.
I still thing it is the rite for all to know what the future might bring.
Talk to you soon............ Roy.......... A Happy NACHI member
Originally Posted By: lewens This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Not that I really care, but, why are the three of you who are all OAHI members debating OAHI business on the NACHI forum? Could it possably be because if you did this on the OAHI board you would be told to cease and desist? I find it ironic that you can and are allowed to come here and post to your heart’s content even though this has nothing at all to do with NACHI but we as nonmembers are not even allowed to view the OAHI forum. And the OAHI members try to say it is not an “old boys club”.
We will now await the inane ramblings of the peanut gallery.
Originally Posted By: rcooke This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
rwand wrote:
Claude said:
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Ray you are welcome to your opinion - but your position flies in the face of voting members and the association board that also has the authority to decide items such as that. Perhaps you should really pose that question to OAHI directly. You are a member and you have the same opportunity to "formally" ask that question too. I personally don't have a problem with the name change.
My opinion, yes I am entitled to it, and I am surprised you would shrug off the by-laws which you have been part of. Knowing what you do and your positions, and seniority in both associations would suggest you would have a better understanding for the rules. Obviously you have been negligent in ensuring they are followed or ensuring they are applied equally. Just as you seem to be so vocal about the Nachi forum rules, here you are suggesting it is okay for OAHI to flaunt the rules.
How can my position fly in the face of the voting members? If you don't have a quorum present and further the proxies did not have that question, and 45 days was not given as required in the by-laws flies in the face of proper procedure. This casts doubt on OAHI and its abilities to ensure compliance with its charter and legislation. I am sorry I think you are wrong based on that fact alone. You don't operate a self regulating body by taking straw votes to change something as major as the name. Further PR158 sets out the minimum standard as to setting the by-laws.
As to you not having a problem I am surprised you would even state that considering how it was done. It is also unfortunate many members who like to put initials after their names and claim to be educated would even be unawares or ignorant of this very important matter and how it was decided and acted upon. It also suggests to me that a straw vote was the deciding factor. I find that in itself contrary and most likely any astute lawyer would most defiantly frown on it. Regardless the name change therefore remains as Oahi.
As to writing and asking Oahi as I have stated before that is a useless endeavor because I already have outstanding issues that have not been dealt with or have never rec'd an answer. You seem to be able to pick and choose your battles as you see fit and to suit your agenda.
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Possibly to help speed up the process from my POV it seems that business conducted and voted upon this past February at the AGM would seem to have some relevance.
That's the problem because the name change was done improperly its not really legal! And you can't speed things up by doing them half assed. And if this is your take then how can anyone be assured you or anyone involved will and have acted properly on the National? This is not the first time the rules have been ignored and it appears it is a common way of thinking.
I guess Larry Ewens is right, in order to get proper answers and to ensure fairness one must go over the heads of management. I wonder what Joe Fontana Federal Minister of Housing and Jim Watson (Provincial) Minister of Consumer and Business Services would have to say about this glaring oversite?
Disappointed but not surprised.
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
Ray I left OAHI for the reason they do not care for
new members except to get their money.
They also did not answer letters.
They do not follow the rules.
They still do as they wish seldom including the membership
in ideas or decisions.
I was strong supporter but finally realized they do not care
what the members think or want.
It shows many members get the message and just give up
and do not renew.
If they did not continually get new people joining they would
even be loosing more money then they now are.
Originally Posted By: rwand This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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Not that I really care, but, why are the three of you who are all OAHI members debating OAHI business on the NACHI forum? Could it possably be because if you did this on the OAHI board you would be told to cease and desist? I find it ironic that you can and are allowed to come here and post to your heart's content even though this has nothing at all to do with NACHI but we as nonmembers are not even allowed to view the OAHI forum. And the OAHI members try to say it is not an "old boys club".
We will now await the inane ramblings of the peanut gallery.
And why would you as a non-member of Oahi be allowed to view their forum?
Last time I checked and was told this is an open forum and virtually anything is up for discussion.
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
-- The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. - Sir William Osler 1905
Originally Posted By: rcooke This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
lewens wrote:
Not that I really care, but, why are the three of you who are all OAHI members debating OAHI business on the NACHI forum? Could it possably be because if you did this on the OAHI board you would be told to cease and desist? I find it ironic that you can and are allowed to come here and post to your heart's content even though this has nothing at all to do with NACHI but we as nonmembers are not even allowed to view the OAHI forum. And the OAHI members try to say it is not an "old boys club".
We will now await the inane ramblings of the peanut gallery.
Hy Larry
Just to bring you up to Date I am not a member of OAHI .
Why here with the debate is it really is the only place those
who belong to OAHI can get the truth about OAHI.
Also these debates is what has brought out a lot of the information
regarding the new system
that CAHPI? OAHI hope to use to
gain control off the inspection industry.
Originally Posted By: rwand This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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Not that I really care, but, why are the three of you who are all OAHI members debating OAHI business on the NACHI forum? Could it possably be because if you did this on the OAHI board you would be told to cease and desist? I find it ironic that you can and are allowed to come here and post to your heart's content even though this has nothing at all to do with NACHI but we as nonmembers are not even allowed to view the OAHI forum. And the OAHI members try to say it is not an "old boys club".
We will now await the inane ramblings of the peanut gallery.
And why would you as a non-member of Oahi be allowed to view their forum?
Last time I checked and was told this is an open forum and virtually anything is up for discussion.
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
-- The value of experience is not in seeing much,
but in seeing wisely. - Sir William Osler 1905
Originally Posted By: lewens This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Hey guys
I don’t begrudge you the use of the forum, I just get a little upset the way Mr. Bottoms will come here and trash us but I bet he wouldn’t let us go to the OAHI forum and trash OAHI. Just a difference between freedom of speech and a closed club I guess. Please, post away this is what NACHI is all about. Here and nowhere else can people speak their minds without censorship thanks to the auspices of Nick Gramiko and NACHI. But you guys have to admit Mr. Bottoms should be kept on a leash.