Raymond:
See that you’ve been online for the last hour or so. What? no posts?.. or you can’t raise Nick out of bed to OK your drivel?
SAD!!!
DOES MARIO KNOW… [size=2]or[/size]
DOES MARIO LAUGH???
Brian
Whatever time my posts make it to the forum, they continue to show that you are of little substance.
You keep lowering yourself but that’s understandable for a fool. :mrgreen:
Don’t you guys have inspections to do?
Hi Brian,
I have no interest in becoming one of Mike Holmes boys. I think that this type of high priced competition is great.
The question I have is, won’t the Mike Holmes system ultimately confuse consumers. If the call for competitive pricing they could end up calling the same guy twice (once from the Holmes site and once from a personal site, since you are not permitted to advertise a Holmes affiliation personally) and get two different prices. Maybe we should all set up several companies so that we can compete with ourselves instead of each other.
Rick
Since he basically is putting sucker ooops! (inspector) in a different shirt and forcing him to use an unfamiliar software which makes for a poorer report but is charging way more I think word will get around online and create poor client reviews combined with a loss in self esteem for the inspectors that subcontract out.
This will take several years but will occur and meanwhile the inspectors that participate will go to the bottom of the food chain as a fallout in the end.
Marcel, thanks for at least trying to answer some of the big three but there is a problem. We still don’t know how many inspections were completed by ALL inspectors during that time. In fact we don’t even know how many inspections were completed by the inspectors who were sampled for the graphs / report and so still have no idea what the ‘failure rate’ is for these inspectors or the industry as a whole.
It is interesting to note that the graph shows that the incidence of insurance claims dropped significantly after peaking in '96. But statistics on a small number of insured inspectors (and let’s remember that most inspectors at that time were not insured and many who were used their insurance to cover themselves from claims generated by poor or so called ‘soft’ inspections) does not supply us with the failure rate of Canadian Inspectors.
We can define the failure rate as being the number of client complaints / 1000 inspections. You can further subdivide this into the number of minor and major complaints / 1000 inspections and can even further divide the data into the number of complaints that were minor, major and frivolous.
But we have no indication of these numbers. What we do have is assumptions, guesses, estimates and unconfirmed ‘facts’. Worse still, we have a national programme that has been justified by using these assumptions, guesses, estimates and unconfirmed ‘facts’. And worst of all, every Inspector in Canada and the entire Industry has been defamed, ridiculed and condemned WITHOUT PROOF.
So again;
HOW MANY INSPECTORS ARE THERE IN CANADA?
HOW MANY INSPECTIONS ARE COMPLETED / YEAR?
HOW MANY OF THOSE INSPECTIONS LEAD TO MINOR / MAJOR CLIENT COMPLAINTS?
Sadly, it appears that nobody has the answers.
**“You keep using these these phrases and accusations loosely and continuously. Please bring some of the actual instances to the boards or direct me to them.” **
Brian, with all due respect, if you are so out of touch with the industry and what has been said about it and it’s practitioners then there seems little point in continuing to respond to you. However this ignorance of the facts goes a long way to explain some of your sillier posts.
But again;
HOW MANY INSPECTORS ARE THERE IN CANADA?
HOW MANY INSPECTIONS ARE COMPLETED / YEAR?
HOW MANY OF THOSE INSPECTIONS LEAD TO MINOR / MAJOR CLIENT COMPLAINTS?
Just a thought but as president of the ACHI would it not fall on your own plate to answer your own questions or atleast state to all that you are actively seeking this information, and list some sources where you are trying to with a small summary from the places you have tried instead of constantly bashing the competition to answer the questions for you? Please do not take this as an invite to start a grudge match, just curious as to who, what, where you have done to answer the " Big Three" If you are looking for answers then maybe if some know what you have tried, some different ways can be offered.
HOW MANY INSPECTORS ARE THERE IN CANADA?
HOW MANY INSPECTIONS ARE COMPLETED / YEAR?
HOW MANY OF THOSE INSPECTIONS LEAD TO MINOR / MAJOR CLIENT COMPLAINTS?
and again please an honest answer without smart remarks, distastefull comments, and bad mojo. I am honestly curious.
George,
As I said before, BC Home Inspector’s are presently required to be licensed to practice and that without answering any of your questions…
Food for thoughts!
William
You asked,
HOW MANY INSPECTORS ARE THERE IN CANADA?
At last count between 6,000 to 8,000. I base that on numbers I see being discussed.
HOW MANY INSPECTIONS ARE COMPLETED / YEAR?
Most likely 10’s of thousands. Don’t have an exact number.
HOW MANY OF THOSE INSPECTIONS LEAD TO MINOR / MAJOR CLIENT COMPLAINTS?
We don’t know, but we do know that documents that formulated the national for instance did rely on minimal data which does not appear to have been well researched other then quoting couple of court cases in Canada dealing with negliglent inspections. And being used to paint the industry as a bunch of bumbling fools.
Its all here.
http://raymondwand.ca/investigatingclaimsagainsthomepropertyinspectors.pdf
The best data is the insurers. But they will not release information to substantiate whether or not the trends are showing increased law suits or a drop.
We don’t know how many complaints are dealt with without knowledge of the associations. How many are meritless? How many settlements made out of court? What were the particulars of the cases?
I do know that one Ontario Association did mention that they had something like 200 hundred complaints.
Nor have I heard of any complaints on Holmes Inspection anything about the inspectors credentials or membership(s). Only that the inspector did a bad job. In this case again we don’t have the details to render a decision that industry is rife with baboons.
Thanks Ray
Bill, as you well know, neither I nor the ALLIANCE of CANADIAN HOME INSPECTORS have made claims of wide spread incompetence in the industry. These claims have been made by those who are trying to foist the national off on all of us as defacto licensing. I am merely asking the questions that should have been asked and answered ten years ago. It certainly is not incumbent upon me to answer these important questions that should have been answered by those who have labeled us all as ‘incompetents’, ‘dangerous’ and ‘cowboys’. That would be the responsibility of those making the charge. I am sure that you are acquainted with the idea “innocent until proven guilty”, aren’t you Bill?
Do I have the answers?
Would I be asking if I did?
It is both unfortunate and highly illustrative that you feel that asking questions is “bashing”. It is equally unfortunate that you, as moderator of another associations message board feel that asking questions and sharing the answers is “bashing”. That is probably the reason why the site in question has such low traffic. Questioning a lie that is defaming every Home Inspector in Canada does not constitute “smart remarks, distastefull (sic)comments, and bad mojo”. It is asking for proof and as Ray has shown there is none and yet you stand in defense of those who make the claims. Interesting indeed.
“Honest curiosity”? You and I both know better than that, don’t we Bill?
If you are honestly curious, perhaps you can prevail upon your friends to answer the “BIG 3”
HOW MANY HOME INSPECTORS ARE THERE IN CANADA?
HOW MANY INSPECTIONS ARE COMPLETED / YEAR?
HOW MANY OF THESE INSPECTIONS LEAD TO MINOR / MAJOR CLIENT COMPLAINTS?
In short, Bill; WHAT IS THE FAILURE RATE OF CANADIAN HOME INSPECTORS WITH FACTUAL PROOF?
actually George you seem to ask the same people in many forums and you seem to get the same answers back.
how many times are you going to ask the same three questions to those same people which give you the same answers back.
This is why I asked you where have YOU looked and called other then those people for the answers to your questions.
Now I asked a simple question to which you saw fit to make silly un needed comments about a board I moderate on which HAD NOTHING to do with the question I asked you.
So for the record you have no idea.
You then have to bring outside and unrelated ingormation into the question.
You then require a spin to make you look better or more important but only at first glance.
You seem to be looking for ways bait people into some sort of argument or whatever it is you want to call it.
Lastly and more importantly you commented on rays coment to me but MISSED where I said thanks Ray. So he had answered the question on your behalf, but that was not good enough for you.
Also I am not a member with the ones you so professionally debate with in a banter that has in my opinion become drival. as you have kicked that horse beyond .
I will not do this grudge thing with you that you so desperatly wish to have with everyone, you are truly a shinning example of leadership and your method of discession speaks louder then your words, as we all have seen on many many boards.
Lets just agree we have nothing to say to each other and i will bow out and not ask any questions that relate to you or your association or any thing that is inspection related. Is this satisfactory to you and your posse’.
Billy,
You took the words right out of my mouth, but could you please show some restrain next time…
lol marcel
I’ll do that and thanx for putting me straight
Well Bill let’s make this as simple as we can for you.
Nobody has answered the questions. An answer would be a statement of definitive fact. I keep hoping that someone will answer the questions but nobody has. It is not up to me to answer these questions. I haven’t made any defaming and derogatory claims about every inspector in Canada and then based an entire national programme intended to address a problem whose existence i haven’t been able to prove.
Do you get it yet?
We have had estimates and guesses. and assessments. We have had no actual answers. What part of “innocent until proven guilty” do you not understand Bill?
Your assessment of me, coming from someone who has had no lasting allegiance to any organization, except the one that pays him is irrelevant.
Asking questions that are important for the industry and everyone in it, including you, is not bating people Bill. It is doing something that should have been done ten years and more ago. If you are happy to have ‘industry leaders’ defame you that is OK. And with your unthinking support of that now dead scheme I am not surprised. But there are a lot of us who want answers.
HOW MANY INSPECTORS ARE THERE IN CANADA?
HOW MANY INSPECTIONS ARE COMPLETED / YEAR?
HOW MANY OF THESE INSPECTIONS LEAD TO MINOR / MAJOR CLIENT COMPLAINT?
I know you can’t answer these questions Bill. But those who have labeled us all as ‘incompetent’, ‘dangerous’ and ‘cowboys’ and have represented our industry this way to the press and the public, should.
"You took the words right out of my mouth,"
It must be refreshing for you Marcel, to have someone else putting words in your mouth for a change.
George:
You keep repeating these three questions and you insist they are so very important. Says who ??? You and your cronies are the only ones hanging the future of the industry on those three questions.
You also falsely accuse people of trying to raise the bar based by fear-mongering. It is you who have used the derogatory terms and blamed 'industry leaders for that. How it can be bad to raise the bar and make our industry look more professional is a mystery, but you seem to reject that idea.
Your false assertions that the NCP is dead are getting very stale and are outright false information. The NCP is alive and well, and despite your false claims to the contrary, it is available equally to every home inspector in Canada. A body with 500 people certified is hardly dead !!!
The decisions to go ahead with the NCP years ago used the same reasons that are valid today. An ‘industry leader’ used these words to justify and promote the NCP:
"Self-regulation has been a good solution in many professions. Does it fall to the home inspection profession to keep its house in order? That makes a lot of sense to me.
Coming back to consumer protection, if home inspectors are adequately insured for their errors and omissions, perhaps that is all that is required.
In Canada , a strong national certification program has been established, with a credible National Occupational Standards document created through a defendable, collaborative process.
Looking at this, my impression is that there is not a strong immediate need for additional consumer protection in the professional home inspection world, and the argument for licensing is not compelling. Secondly, there are tools and a good foundation in place for meaningful self-regulation. Responsible work within the profession could provide reliable consumer protection at no cost to government or taxpayers. Improvements could be made, and if a strong self-regulatory model were in place, that would reduce the risk for the profession, consumers and government of costly and potentially ineffective licensing.
This is a call to the profession to build such a model. In Canada , the National Certification Authority is a great building block."
Bill Mullen
Bill
It looks like another conflict of interest at the PHPIC? An employee of the President of Phpic serving on the Advisory Council? Is there no end?
http://phpic.ca/advisory_council.php
http://www.home-inspectors.com/trainers.htm
**Kim Courtney** - **Registrar
** Kim is Home Inspectors® Office Manager and our Institutes Registrar. She has a solid background in customer service and marketing. She came to us from a national distance learning institute where she held the position of Territorial Marketing/Sales Manager for B.C. She also worked as a Mortgage Officer for Ontario’s largest credit union for over 15 years and has completed courses in Marketing, Real Estate Sales, Residential Home Appraisals and Adult Education.
Having been with Home Inspector®s since 1999, Kim fully understands the plight of new home buyers in this region. She has accompanied Paul Wilson on numerous home inspections in order to gain a better understanding of the home inspection process as well as client expectations and concerns.