Does licensing help or hurt NACHI's membership?

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Originally Posted By: gromicko
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One of our detractors tried to make a link between licensing and NACHI’s membership numbers crediting either licensing or the lack of it for NACHI’s success.


Here is a little chart of our 20 top markets (in terms of membership) and the status of licensing in those markets. You will spot no correlation or pattern between the two and so can't credit NACHI's success on licensing or lack of it. Must be something else... ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)

Florida, 704 members, no regs but proposed.
Pennsylvania, 560 members, regulation.
Canada, 354 members, no regs but proposed.
California, 336 members, no regs.
New York, 283 members, licensed.
Ohio, 209 members, no regs.
Georgia, 207 members, no regs.
Texas, 187 members, strict licensing.
Washington, 168 members, no regs.
Michigan, 160 members, no regs but proposed.
Virginia, 150 members, voluntary certification.
Illinois, 148 members, strict licensing.
Tennessee, 141 members, no regs but proposed.
Maryland. 124 members, licensing unfunded.
Colorado, 123 members, no regs.
Indiana, 121 members, licensed.
Arizona, 113 members, stupid licensing.
Missouri, 113 members, no regs.
New Jersey, 74 members, licensed.
Kentucky, 70 members, corrupt licensing.

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Nick Gromicko
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Originally Posted By: gbell
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wow Florida is really taking off.


Sure would be nice to have that new school and house of horrors in Orlando.

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Greg Bell
Bell Inspection Service

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Originally Posted By: dedwards
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I don’t know about anyone else but licensing or lack of licensing had absolutely nothing to do with my decision to join NACHI. The BB and the open debate/discussions and willingness of the members to help one another and the other benefits is what made my decision. The marketing ideas, resources and helpful links just made sense. I have investigated several other associations over the last decade and found few that had much to offer or I felt were over-reaching and sometimes downright arrogant. Difference is like night and day.

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Originally Posted By: jburkeson
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gromicko wrote:
One of our detractors tried to make a link between licensing and NACHI's membership numbers crediting either licensing or the lack of it for NACHI's success.


It would be interesting to poll our 700+ Florida members as to their position in regards to the HB 315 licensing proposal that is currently before the Florida legislature, because this same detractor has once again claimed that 82% of Florida inspectors endorse this licensing bill.

This is significant in that right now NACHI most likely represents 1/3 of all Florida home inspectors and we have been selectively excluded by the group that produced and promoted this bill. It would surely be a sad state of affairs if this bill was allowed to pass into law if in all likelihood the reality is that it has less than 50% popularity.

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Joseph Burkeson, RPI (Hooperette)

?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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Originally Posted By: psisler
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Nick,


Thanks for the info.

Doug,

I agree very much with what you said. We have had several people at our recent meetings as well as calling me and asking, "why did you join NACHI"? I told them the same thing and to check the site as well as other sites to make your own educated decision. I feel that if you are going to join an association you have to be well informed and most of all happy with that decision, as am I.

Patrick M. Sisler

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Originally Posted By: dedwards
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Since joining my decision to join NACHI I have concluded that it was the right decision. The focus at NACHI has always been “What can we do for you and your business?” Many of the other organizations it is more what can you do for our organization and never progresses much beyond that. For example, NACHI has numerous areas where it and the members have gone outside the normal areas professional org. go:


Scholarships Programs, NACHI Foundation, arbitration resolution, substantial Discounts for members, Free online education - All the others want big bucks for any education no matter how small.


Where was FABI when the Hurricanes hit Florida? All I saw was some complaining about insurance companies and others in their Newsletter. Within hours I was contacted by the NACHI Foundation wanting to know if any of our people needed anything. Money was made available to the people of Florida, not just NACHI members. The money was sent to Food Banks and other agencies set up to put the money where it would do the most good.


I could go on and on but you get the picture.

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Originally Posted By: gbell
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Hey Joe,


I hope that you will be able to make it to the meeting on the 1st of April in Orlando.

I plan on having an open forum where we all can exchange our ideas and the reasons why. It is not to be used as an agenda to promote or determine what is right or wrong. I hope we may come up with better solutions than what is presently on the table. So in effect we are going to work on what we can do to influence it next year. We also will discuss what will be needed and how we will fund those requirements. I look forward to hearing other thoughts that I have never considered. So please come prepared with more than the I am just against it. I think we can all agree that we will have regulations for home inspectors someday in Florida.

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Greg Bell
Bell Inspection Service

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Originally Posted By: jburkeson
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gbell wrote:
Hey Joe,

So in effect we are going to work on what we can do to influence it next year.


Hey Greg,

That is a great idea, but do you already know something that I don't? Sounds to me like you're saying that HB 315 is already dead for this year, did you hear something?

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Joseph Burkeson, RPI (Hooperette)

?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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Originally Posted By: Blaine Wiley
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HB 315 is currently in the Business Regulation Committee, last action 2-1-2005. It appears that the bill has not made it out of committee yet, according to the Committee record there has been no vote. Let’s all write the members again, or for the first time if you haven’t already.

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Originally Posted By: gbell
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Hey Joe,


Can't get anything past you. I think it was dead before it ever started. There are to many things of more importance for the powers that be too deal with. The four hurricanes took care of it for us this year. Lets see what we can put together for next year. I hope that we can start a committee so that we can add a more positive approach. I don't think that the FAPHI agenda is an acceptable alternative. Lets see what develops at our next meeting.

There are other reasons that I feel it is dead.
1. Mr Allen has not responded to any inquiry that I have made to his office.
2. They needed to justify all of the money that FABI has given to this cause. I truly belive that is the only reason he presented it as a bill.
3. I think they have their own agenda. All Florida home inspectors are being used by them for the mighty dollar.

I hope that we can also start a campaign to get rid of the people that are playing with our livelihood. We need representatives in Tallahassee that care about the people more than they do the mighty dollar. We will go into more detail at our next meeting.

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Greg Bell
Bell Inspection Service

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Originally Posted By: darthur
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I just got into this conversation because I was on My Florida.com, and I went to the Senate page. In it they descibe their version of this bill and they claim to already have funding from some trust fund in the amount of around $640,000. Their so-called grandfathering clause is ridiculous. I am a relatively new biz owner who is struggling to pay the bills as it is. I have had no complaints, in fact my biz is growing more from word of mouth than any of my marketing strategies. This whole thing stinks because it seems as the “old-timers” want to keep the “newbies” out. I can’t help it I don’t have years of paid inspections, however I do have more than their proposed insurance. I would like to know if any of the 700+ inspectors with NACHI in Fla are going to drive to TALLY to voice their feelings. I will keep checking for a response. Thanks icon_twisted.gif

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Originally Posted By: gbell
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Hello David,


As a new inspector you would be required to have 90 hours of approved training. Pass the approved test and carry general liability insurance. Once you meet those requirements then you would be given a license. How many of those do you already have? You would have one year to meet those requirements before you would not be able to do home inspections.

Hope that helps you to understand it a little better.

It appears that the new inspector just reads about grandfathering and then stops feeling that they are going to be out of business.

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Greg Bell
Bell Inspection Service

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Originally Posted By: darthur
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What was it about the 3 years experience, or the 250 fee paid inspections under your belt? I have completed training equivalent to the required hours, I have the insurance, and I’m pretty sure I can pass a test as long as they don’t throw things at me that shouldn’t be there.

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Originally Posted By: John Bowman
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Greg, Joe, or whoever,


Is there a list of approved training somewhere? Is Florida providing this list to anyone who requests it?

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Originally Posted By: dedwards
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John,


Well now you have hit on the fly in the ointment. This is just one of the many unanswered questions that this bill does not address. All those pesky details that are to be ironed out by the “Advisory Board” that does not yet exist. I hope people are finally beginning to see the holes and possibilities for abuse in this bill. Once again, this bill is based on the ASHI model. The criteria is identical as the ones laid out in their position paper for licensing. “Just trust us and we will fill in all the blanks after you sign on.” There is not a single provision in the bill that protects the consumer as it reports. And it certainly does not protect the HI.

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Originally Posted By: evandeven
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In order to understand who has the most to gain by this bill, you have to look to those who had a hand in writing it.


Then, it is quite clear. FABI wants to be the guiding force in Florida. The test will either be the ASHI test or the FABI test.

The idea is to get the bill passed and then to modify it as needed, or, as the advisory board sees fit. You can interpret it any way you want, but it will come down to being a member of ASHI or FABI.

After you have passed the test, what is stopping you from becoming a member?

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Eric Van De Ven
Owner/Inspector
Magnum Inspections Inc.
I get paid to be suspicious when there is nothing to be suspicious about!
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Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Greg Bell wrote:
As a new inspector you would be required to have 90 hours of approved training. Pass the approved test and carry general liability insurance.


Greg, I have not read the full bill, but if that is the requirements for new inspectors I don't think that it is a bad bill. At least it gets away from the indentured servitute model that the old guard have pushed everywhere else.

BUT ............

Eric VdV wrote:
The idea is to get the bill passed and then to modify it as needed, or, as the advisory board sees fit.


As Eric rightly says the operational outlines have probably not yet been thought about, and I don't trust "special interests" not to try to influence the final outcome.

Regards

Gerry

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Gerry Beaumont
NACHI Education Committee
e-mail : education@nachi.org
NACHI phone 484-429-5466

Inspection Depot Education
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Originally Posted By: gbell
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Hello Gerry,


It doesn't take much to figure out what will happen.

Schools- ITA, Inspection Depot, and AHIT Those are the only ones that I can think of at this time. I am sure that others will apply if it becomes a law.

Tests- NHIE, NAHI, FABI and ICC. Are there anymore that anyone can think of?

By the way 2 ICC tests down two to go.

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Greg Bell
Bell Inspection Service