Originally Posted By: gromicko
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) from all their literature and their website.
Let me know.
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) from all their literature and their website.
Let me know.
Originally Posted By: rmoore
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As you asked for opinions…here’s mine:
Too many definitions of "largest".
They are unlikely to comply...would you?
All it will do is stir up more bad blood. Do we really need that?
This organization ultimately should be about the quality of inspections and the inspectors, not who has the biggest penis.
My vote is...Let it go!
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www.rainspect.com
Originally Posted By: roconnor
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BTW ... I don't think I will ever forget the response I got from NACHI and ASHI when I was looking into recommendations for my students in my HI classes a while back.
ASHI Reply ... We will send you an application for you and a whole bunch for your students ... and "if you want to check out our board for your students ... send in your application, with cash for your "candidate" membership ..." (for a PE teaching HI classes, with thousands of inspections and 20 yrs experience in inspecting and evaluating residential building ... send me a "candidate" application ... yea right ... lol).
NACHI Reply ... "We will give you temporary access to check things out for your students" ... and "How can we as an organization help your students to become better inspectors and succeed in a tough business" ... and "would you like NACHI to do some free marketing seminars to help your students in a pretty weak area for home inspectors"
(Yes, that would be you Nick ... LOL)
Go figure I joined NACHI, highly recommend NACHI membership to my students and other HI's, and offered my help with the EC and other technical issues ... 
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Eagle Engineering ?
Eagle Eye Inspections ?
NACHI Education Committee
I am absolutely amazed sometimes by how much thought goes into doing things wrong
Originally Posted By: Guest
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It’s none of my business, but that’s never stopped me before and I’m a creature of habit.
What Richard said.
There is also the issue of bulletin board members vs. those that have the real membership that allows them into the “members only” area of the website.
All in all, you won't go far wrong using Richard Moore and Robert O'Connor as barometers to predict the "thinking" inspector's point of view.
The "thinking" inspectors are the folks you want to attract, there's enough sheep in the world.
I want ewe, I want ewe soo baaaad, I want ewe, I want ewe so baaaaad, it's drivin me mad, it's drivin me mad.
I refraining from further puns and homonym humor that would have included but not been limited to topics such as: on the lamb, fleecing, wool over the eyes and maybe a Mary joke or two. Speaking of Mary..shouldn't it have been "Mary owned a little lamb'? The original wording bothered me when I was a child.
I digress.
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Originally Posted By: Scott Patterson
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Let?s get another opinion on this. I am sure that we will more to chime in on my responses. I have tried to be as accurate and truthful as possible.
Largest geographically: We cover 22 countries.
ASHI is not trying to cover the world
Largest number of hits: Over 6 million a month at http://www.nachi.org/stats.htm
This all depends on how you define hits
Largest number of Chapters: 65
ASHI has 80
Largest number of Websites owned 4,500 http://www.nachi.org/domains.htm
What does this have to do with home inspections? And why would you want so many?
Largest in Google comparison of NACHI vs. ASHI: http://www.nachi.org/site-comparisons
Funny, when you type in for a home inspector in an area or state ASHI is on top or in the top 3
Largest amount of industry news: http://www.nachi.org/whats_new.htm
I have yet to see NACHI in any national publication or in any professional print publication.
Largest message board: 61,000+ topics.
Might be true but you won?t find ?Fantasy Football? on the ASHI site.
Largest number of exam takers: Approaching 30,000 http://exams.nachi.org/stats.php
Might be true, but ASHI does not offer an online, unmoderated bogus entry exam that even my child can take.
Largest number of message board registered users.
Might be true as NACHI has a public board. I bet the NACHI private board is a whole lot smaller.
Largest number of members: Approaching 10,000.
Is this paid members or members that have logged onto the public board?
Largest number of visitors.
How do you know how many visitors ASHI, NAHI or any other organization has?
Largest and best exam: http://www.nachi.org/aboutexam.htm
ASHI no longer has it?s own exam. ASHI along with the majority of licensed states except the NHIE for their qualifying exam.
Largest number of files downloaded.
What type of files? How many has ASHI had downloaded?
Largest number of events: http://www.nachi.org/events.htm
Many items listed are only announcements, some are for non NACHI meetings open to anyone
Largest number of referenced photos.
ASHI does not even have a section of referenced photos. Kind of hard to compare this.
Largest attendance at events.
What is considered attendance? What is considered an event? ASHI averages around 1500 at it?s annual conference.
Largest number of members joining per day.
And how many paid members does NACHI have? How many per day are joining?
Largest activity of message board: http://www.nachi.org/mb.htm
This is a repeat of an above question that is worded differently.
Largest staff: http://www.nachi.org/contact.htm
Are these NACHI employees or just contacts?
Largest glossary: http://www.nachi.org/glossary.htm
It is a good glossary, but don?t you think you should give credit to the original source and author?
Largest Standards of Practice: http://www.nachi.org/sopintro.htm
The NACHI standards are almost word for word the same as ASHI but they don?t go into the depth that ASHI standards do. If you are including the NACHI ethics, they are not as strong as ASHI Code of Ethics.
Largest online education: http://www.nachi.org/education.htm
ASHI is not competing with the providers who specialize in education.
Largest US lead generator: http://www.FindAnInspector.US
Not from what I have seen on internet searches or heard from NACHI members
Largest International lead generator: http://www.InspectorSEEK.com
Can?t compare as the ASHI membership is targeted to the United States
Largest number of Canadian members: approaching 300.
Again is this paid members?
Largest website: 18,000+ pages.
And it is a difficult website to navigate.
Largest growth.
Repeat of another question, just worded differently.
Largest number of hours of continuing ed required: 18/year.
That?s funny. ASHI requires 20 hours per year!
Largest number of vendor relationships: http://www.nachi.org/deals.htm
And how many will be at the NACHI conference. Most of the same deals are available to ASHI members and just about anyone that contacts one of those vendors.
Largest frequency of exam passing required: Every year.
No Joke with such an easy and non proctored exam.
Largest number of sister associations/organizations: NACHI Foundation, InterNACHI, etc.
And some great ideas and people that are leading them too.
Largest exam prep tool: http://www.nachi.org/qa.htm
I won?t even respond to this one.
Largest offering of business advice: http://www.nachi.org/success_tips.htm
Much if not more of the same information is available on the ASHI members forum, but you have to be a member just as a person has to be a NACHI member to view the success tips.
Largest number of Community College partnerships.
How many and what locations?
Largest number of servers owned.
And what does this have to do with the price of rice in China/
Largest number of languages published in: 9.
What no link! Please post a link to the 9 languages I am curious to see them.
Largest number of entrance requirements: http://www.nachi.org/membership.htm
and on and on and on...
But do those requirements really mean anything.
And of course the mother of all quantifiable things to compare (of greatest interest to members)… Largest length of benefit list: http://www.nachi.org/benefits.htm
Lot?s of things but most is fodder and available to just about anyone. Many links are outdated or are about past events. Many links are about other NACHI web pages.
Just another view that is not as slanted and without the marketing hype.
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If we are comparing apples to apples, paid members to paid members and NACHI has more, then yes, they should be notified of the numbers.
It should come from the board members in a non threatening letter with Nicks name NOT on it. Then Nick if that does not work you can use your form of charm and diplomacy to see if they would like to update their wording.
Originally Posted By: loconnor
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Mr Patterson
Thank you,You have proven the point that Mr. Moore and Mr. O'Connor have made.
That point being..."Let's not have a pissing contest.
If we focus too much on what the competition is doing, then we lose
focus on our own goals. Let's continue to just strive at being the best"
However, nothing wrong with informally asking ASHI to cool it on their
name bashing, if that is what is occuring.
If they say "get lost", then drop the subject and move on.
My 2 drakmas...for what it's worth.
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Larry
Western Michigan NACHI Chapter
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"We confide in our strength
without boasting of it.
We respect that of others
without fearing it"
Thomas Jefferson
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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means “number of members” to most people. I don’t agree but let’s say for sake of argument… heaven forbid… I’m wrong and everyone else is right and the word largest should only pertain to number of members.
A while back I used to rationalize that if you count ASHI Candidates as members who have never passed ASHI's exam then you should count the 12,000 NACHI exam failers who also never passed NACHI's exam. I don't have to do that anymore... We are the largest straight up.
NACHI is the largest even if you only count due paying members at NACHI (which I don't) and you count Candidates at ASHI (which I don't).
We are still the largest. And we are gaining members at about the rate that they are losing them.
However, I won't compel them to change their website.
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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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, how about we do something unilateral and start saying we’re the oldest?
That way they can say they are the largest when in fact we are... and we can say we're the oldest when in fact they are.
Apologies to both OConnors, I'm having too much fun today.
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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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Oldest?
Then you'd have to average out the ages of all the NACHI members and all the ASHI members, but even then, ASHI members are probably older (but they are losing one 'older' member when my dues expire when my renewal time runs out).
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South Florida
Originally Posted By: jonofrey
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Funny Jerry –
Inspection Nirvana!
We're NACHI. Get over it.
Originally Posted By: gsutterfield
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Do one more comparison
Largest number of inspections attributed to membership in ASHI versus NACHI.
After all, bottom line should be $$$$$$$$$ 
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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though. And being the honest fellow that I am, I will state right now that I honestly do not know the answer to the question at the end of this post (our attorney Joe Ferry would say that one should never ask a question unless one knows the answer). But we’re all friends and so here goes…
Some of your comments imply that ASHI verifies things. I wonder if this is a new policy at ASHI. When I was running my home inspection company we used to hire low level helpers (who's job was to solely check windows, doors, faucets, and toilets) on big homes (I worked in a high-end market). One of my helpers who never wrote a home inspection report in his life applied for ASHI membership, passed the silly NHIE (with the help of the answers... sold by mail at the time and now sold on eBay) and was given full membership in ASHI within a month of leaving my employment (I don't know when he applied I confess). He later explained how he did it: At the time ASHI asked him for 250 addresses of inspections he performed. He simply sent them 250 addresses of homes I inspected. When ASHI asked for actual copies of reports from some of these inspections, he sent them in. ASHI gave him full membership. This is hilarious as my company always used digital photo-computer generated reports done on-site with laptops, using our own custom software. The reports he sent in (and I assume ASHI still possesses) were generated using this custom software of mine. The hilarious part is that this toilet-checker (instant ASHI Full member) was a computer illiterate who couldn't find the on button of a computer much less generate the reports he submitted to ASHI.
Point is, ASHI gave one of my toilet-checkers, a fella who never wrote a single home inspection report in his life, Full membership (the same status you hold) at ASHI without verifying that he ever wrote a single home inspection report.
I just checked ASHI.org and see that he is still a full member just like you are. Did you write any home inspection reports before you were awarded Full membership?
Anyway, I don't mean to pick on you at all and I think you are swell to always give us a little run for our money. For that I thank you and I very much appreciate your participation here and enjoy it (most of the time  ) ...it's just that earlier in this post I said your overall implication that ASHI verifies things "hit home" because it really did "hit home" with me. This is not a hypothetical... it really happened to me and I have witnesses to it.
So here is the question...has ASHI changed this lack of verification since then (this was in 2001) or is the 250 verified reports thingy they tout in their branding still just a bunch of B.S.?
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Originally Posted By: dharris
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| gsutterfield wrote: |
| Do one more comparison 
Largest number of inspections attributed to membership in ASHI versus NACHI. After all, bottom line should be $$$$$$$$$  |
Hmmmm
ASHI been around for 25 plus yrs with currently 3-5000 plus active full time members/ active inspectors
NACHI 3 plus years with 3-10,000 current members [ Depends if you read what reputable members state or what Nick states]
For the additional cost of less than 1 inspection a year between the 2 orgs my return on investment/ bottom line by far is _________
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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I’ll make an exception and do something I never do…
Welcome TODAY's new members! All have fulfilled http://www.nachi.org/membership.htm, submitted their affidavits, and joined NACHI TODAY. Their full contact information can now be found in http://www.nachi.org/memberlist.htm should anyone wish to welcome them personally.
Welcome aboard TODAY's 12 new NACHI members:
Scott Brandon, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Tom Esposito, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
David A. Henry, Fort Wayne, IN
Douglas A. Brown, Langley, BC
Mark Johnston, Kathleen, GA
Katherine Barnoski, Alexandria, VA
Bob W. Wilkinson, Waterloo, ON
Frank D. Sudol, McDonald, OH
Paul L. Smith, Norco, CA
Todd D. Schmucker, North Port, FL
Goran Gnjidic, Mississauga, ON
Brian C. Stuart, Phoeniz, AZ
We're happy you joined TODAY.
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Originally Posted By: dbowers
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competing with the providers offering education, due to their HARD-CORE PUSHING of the ITA Courses and Carson & Dunlop Home Study Course. Anybody ever tell you that before ASHI adopted the C&D Home Study Course as “The ASHI Home” it sold for around $1,695 - once ASHI got it the price went up by maybe $700 or so -ever wonder where the excess money went to???
ASHI has only been hitting the Big Numbers of out around 1,300 - 1,500 for the past couple of years and they've been out there now 25 years.
ASHI mainly seeks or is geared to American Members - Not by Choice - ONLY AFTER - a few officers / BOD members managed to drive off or piss off or loose most of the Canadian Contingency about 5-6 years ago.
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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I looked on ASHI’s site and only found 6 ASHI Candidates in Canada. Canada today, the States tomorrow. Hey, how do you like my new message board profile signature?
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2 more new members just joined and since I’m in the Mountain time zone it is still TODAY. And yes, they both fulfilled http://www.nachi.org/membership and submitted their affidavits and both paid their $289 membership dues…
Welcome member number 13 and 14 for TODAY:
Denver L. Lewis, Stout, OH
Barry L. Miller, Paducah, KY
Welcome fellas!
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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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