Done with this thread all questions have been answered…moving on!
Have a nice day!
Not bored I just love to see your useless post’s
Can you please tell us why you will not post how many paid members there are in OntarioACHI …??? WOW lookls to me like Scott just told another of his lies
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https://www.nachi.org/ON has listed There are currently 446 InterNACHI-certified home inspectors inOntario.
https://oahiblog.wordpress.com/2016/09/14/oahi-reminds-public-ontario-government-already-has-home-inspector-legislation/ OAHI has more than 500 members
http://www.ontarioachi.ca/statistics/ **Association ****OntarioACHI ****# of Members **734€ ** **
OntarioACHIhas listed its membership [FONT=Consolas]http://www.ontarioachi.ca/statistics/](http://www.ontarioachi.ca/statistics/)[/FONT]
Here they say they have 734 members .
I used [FONT=Consolas]http://www.ontarioachi.ca/search-for-an-inspector/](http://www.ontarioachi.ca/search-for-an-inspector/)[/FONT] to get my information .
[FONT=Calibri]This past October I went to OntarioACHI site and counted81 Ontario listed paid members , two Quebec paid members and 59 Ontario nonpaid members for a total of 142 listed members.[/FONT]
My totals could have a slighterror but they do indicate OntarioACHI is far short on what they list as total members.
Oachi working for all inspectors? Ya right. All 142 members.
Not bored I just love to see your useless post’s
Can you please tell us why you will not post how many paid members there are in OntarioACHI …??? WOW lookls to me like Scott just told another of his lies
(" Done with this thread all questions have been answered…moving on! have a nice day! ")
https://www.nachi.org/ON has listed There are currently 446 InterNACHI-certified home inspectors inOntario.
https://oahiblog.wordpress.com/2016/09/14/oahi-reminds-public-ontario-government-already-has-home-inspector-legislation/ OAHI has more than 500 members
http://www.ontarioachi.ca/statistics/** Association ****OntarioACHI **# of Members listed 734
OntarioACHIhas listed its membership [FONT=Consolas]http://www.ontarioachi.ca/statistics/](http://www.ontarioachi.ca/statistics/)[/FONT]
Here they say they have 734 members .
I used [FONT=Consolas]http://www.ontarioachi.ca/search-for-an-inspector/](http://www.ontarioachi.ca/search-for-an-inspector/)[/FONT] to get my information .
[FONT=Calibri]This past October I went to OntarioACHI site and counted81 Ontario listed paid members , two Quebec paid members and 59 Ontario nonpaid members for a total of 142 listed members.[/FONT]
My totals could have a slighterror but they do indicate OntarioACHI is far short on what they list as total members.
Oachi working for all inspectors? Ya right. All 142 members.
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If home inspectors are licensed, a home buyer can still call a roofer to have a look at the roof on the house they are about to buy and get quote (or not)…but the roofer doesn’t require any license, including a home inspector’s license.
If a home buyer has a concern about their foundation, they can call a contractor in to look at it (get a quote or not) but the contractor doesn’t need a license, including a home inspector’s license.
So, home buyer’s can get a house “inspected” by using unlicensed people anyway, regardless of their being a home inspector’s license.
Seems like licensing home inspector’s simply puts us out of business and does NOT protect consumers as they purport?
Sorry you just don’t get it!
You make some good points here Roy. It is my belief that the regulations are going to identify what a Home Inspection is composed of. It will further indicate that only those licensed and exempt from the regulation will be able to perform those services.
A roof inspection will be, I believe, by definition, not a home inspection. Same thing with electrical, same thing with plumbing, same thing with HVAC.
But the same is also true at the moment. Sure people could ask for a Foundation Contractor/Roofer/Plumber/Electrician/HVAC contractor/Engineer to each come in and perform small parts of an inspection. Indeed, when home Inspection is regulated, this will still be that case, as I understand it.
But…and here’s the kicker, only an Engineer or (as it stands at present) and Architect will be allowed to perform a complete home inspection.
So the choice will still be in the hands of the consumer.
- They can choose $400 and up for a Professional Home Inspection performed by an unbiased, independent, competent, licensed Home Inspector with no conflict of interests, or,
- They can choose 6 separate inspections, and presumably 6 separate reports, and presumably 6 separate inspection clauses in the offer to purchase agreement, and presumably 6 agreements and 6 bills, you are absolutely correct
All good points Roy.
Although I see the points raised by Roy and follow-up by Len, I view this as a matter of how the definition of a home inspection is defined.
Here’s one example from BC Consumer Protection -While not defined in the Regulation, the activity of home inspection is commonly understood to be an “opinion as to the condition of a residential dwelling or property based on a visual examination of readily accessible features and components of the dwelling or property”. As of September 1, 2016, this is the definition of home inspection that Consumer Protection BC will use to assess whether the activities of a person require licensing.
Taken together, if a person operating in BC is engaging in “the business or occupation of providing opinions as to the conditions of a residential dwelling or property based on a visual examination of readily accessible features and components of the dwelling or property, they are required to be licensed” by Consumer Protection BC.
Would that not cover most any trade person - must be licensed?
Absolutely! By definition home inspectors are generalists, meaning we need to know something about everything. If the person is a specialist in one particular trade but did not get a formal training in other systems of the residential dwelling, he or she must obtain home inspector’s license to offer an opinion about the condition of the property.
One of the points I think you’ve missed here is that why would home inspectors be subject to licensing ahead of all the “trades” that are not licensed? Seems like the cart’s before the horse. Home inspectors are advocates for their clients and protecting these consumers. So, why aren’t the “trades”that are causing the bad work and that we see all the time be licensed first?Yes, I’m ignoring the homeowners / DIY’ers here for a moment.
Naïve home owners don’t realize what they need, or don’t want topay, for a complete home inspection…except for the peace of mind crowd. Don’tforget…the house has been staged with all sorts of brand new looking stuff, the pool is “newer”, the hydro has been “upgraded”, furnace “new” two years ago, sothey might be concerned only about the foundation and can get that checked out free by these unlicensed contractors. If the government AND realtors think licensing is key…why haven’t the association or those at the “licensing table”not insisted on making inspections mandatory?
In today multiple offer world, many are not getting inspections done anyway. We all know of banks and insurance companies that won’t lend on,or insure, homes that have 60 amp services, knob & tube, asbestos,vermiculite, PED, galvanized, etc., etc., etc. How do the banks / insurance companies know what is in the house then? They rely on the new homeowner to inform them, unless they somehow become aware of information (e.g. from the appraiser that spends 5 minutes inside the house and doesn’t stick their headin the attic). We all know of clients that have called us after the inspection asking questions that their bank / insurance company wants to have answers to.So, without this information the home buyer either guesses, or gives them information they believe to be correct and that is perhaps unverified. Fast forward, they make a claim on their insurance for a fire only to find out that they had knob & tube and their coverage is denied because they failed to disclose a material fact as required on page 58 of their policy. Or there’s vermiculite in the attic and the bank won’t renew the mortgage until it’s corrected. Worse yet, they have to sell as a result and don’t have the cash to make the repairs and take a hit on the sale price. Point is, how does that protect consumers - the guise of what licensing home inspectors is all about, right? If consumer protection is key, it’s pointless to license home inspectors without making home inspections mandatory. This should be the primary goal of all home inspectors and associations if licensing come to be…not what’s the best way to navigate through the requirements of licensing to keep the government and realtors happy. They’ll be no inspectors to license otherwise.
Good points raised in the post offered by Roy.
Let me offer my point of view. First - why would they group Home Inspectors, Pay-Day Loans, and Door-to-Door sales in one group? That in itself seems a bit disconnected, other than for “consumer protection”.
We also know that in Ontario “some trades” are licensed, but certainly not all trades related to homes and construction.
The other point the market conditions have significantly changed for most Ontario Home Inspectors since the “Panel Report”. This certainly needs to be addressed to reflect that market changes can dramatically change the numbers and business dynamics that could hurt consumers, rather than protect consumers.
Now on the issue on mandatory inspections - that in itself can be controversial particularly from the sellers side and also from the realtors side. I would have to believe that stakeholders would try to heavily influence that such a condition be killed. On the other side I see it as one way of making sure “every home for sale” is inspected to offer some form of consumer protection. After all when was the last time any home was likely inspected? Conditions change on houses as we know, but what about the 30+ or 50+ years of ever being inspected through even a permit process.
To me I would hope that the MGCS would at least consider a followup on what has changed that could help make a licensing bill the best it could be, if they want to really protect consumers.
In my opinion this is a cornerstone of the whole subject about licensing of home inspectors. I said this before, the consumers cannot be adequately protected if the home inspection condition cannot be included in APS. But as we all know this is the fact for the past two years in the GTA real estate market - you want to bid on the house then remove all conditions. So if this is what market dictates - fine. But then make the seller to have a mandatory inspection **prior **to listing the house. That would benefit all the parties involved.
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