Hi

Originally Posted By: russell r.
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I’m an Electrician who’s been reading posts here for a while. Noticed Mr. Badger here and figured it was a pretty good site.


Biggest reason I'm here is Home Inspections are becoming pretty common here on New Construction. Had a few disagreements with HI's lately.

Just wanted to come here and read with an open mind,and try to learn more about HI's, what they are about,and maybe try to see things from their point of view.

Thanks for having me here.


Originally Posted By: jpope
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Your input and participation is welcomed here Russ.



Jeff Pope


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Originally Posted By: psabados
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Hi Russ


Welcome aboard, comments and participation is welcomed

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Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Hi Russ


welcome to the asylum, I truely believe we have much to offer, and more importantly to learn.

Regards

Gerry


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Originally Posted By: pabernathy
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Welcome Russ…as one fellow electrician to another…glad to see you joining in.



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Originally Posted By: lewens
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OH OH


The sparkies are ganging up on us. Welcome and be prepared to engage. Like Gerry said, this is an asylum.


Larry



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From The Great White North Eh?
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Welcome icon_biggrin.gif


Originally Posted By: jonofrey
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So, what kind of disagreements are you having? Inquiring minds want to know.



Inspection Nirvana!


We're NACHI. Get over it.

Originally Posted By: jmurray
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russell r. wrote:
I'm an Electrician who's been reading posts here for a while. Noticed Mr. Badger here and figured it was a pretty good site.

Biggest reason I'm here is Home Inspections are becoming pretty common here on New Construction. Had a few disagreements with HI's lately.

Just wanted to come here and read with an open mind,and try to learn more about HI's, what they are about,and maybe try to see things from their point of view.

Thanks for having me here.


Welcome!
Any relatives in CA?


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Originally Posted By: russell r.
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jonofrey wrote:
So, what kind of disagreements are you having? Inquiring minds want to know.


Mostly small things. One HI,noted my use of PVC Conduit as a POCO stub-down on an UG Service entrance,and listed it as " A possible Safety Concern" even tho I used Sched 80 Conduit,and there was little or no possibility of damage from anything other than possibly a weedeater.

Another was " Breaker Panel too High" even tho the height from finished floor to Main Breaker handle was 6'2".

Another was " No disconnect on Water Heater" and the WH was in the same room with the Breaker Panel.

Never had An HI cite anything that was a Code violation,but yet it costs us a trip back to discuss the " Problem" with Homeowners. For free.

These 3 and some other instances were cited after the job had passed a Municipal Inspection. It's happened around 6 to 8 times a year the last 4 years or so. I'm all for complying with Code and doing the best job possible,and several of these HI's have found things that needed to be addressed in other areas of the Job. Most of them seem to be genuinely interested in doing the best they can,and I applaud that.

Thing is,it's becoming a pain to have to go back,explain to the Customer that they haven't found any Legitimate Code Violations. As most of ya'll Probably know,HI's in Ga. aren't Licensed by the State,and are largely unregulated. Anybody who can afford a Magnetic Sign and a Measuring Tape is an HI in this neck of the Woods.

What We have done,is started to put a Disclaimer on our contracts stating that we won't be bound by any Inspections other than a State Certified Electrical or Building Inspector.

Having said all that,I still think it's a good idea to have as many sets of eyes on a Job as possible,and I'm here trying to find out what HI's are about,and trying to find a good way to work with them. All of You seem like you are interested in the same thing I am,a good,safe Home.

I'll just keep reading and try to figure out a way to work with HI's in my area.


Originally Posted By: bbadger
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Hi Russel what’s happening?


Originally Posted By: russell r.
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Rent and taxes Bob. icon_lol.gif How about you my Friend?


Originally Posted By: bbadger
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Work, noisy kids, messy house. icon_lol.gif


Originally Posted By: russell r.
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bbadger wrote:
Work, noisy kids, messy house. ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)


Sounds normal enough to me. I'm living alone now,kids are grown. I miss all the noise and Hoo- Ha. Good to come here,read and try to learn a bit.


Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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Russ I saw a problem the other day that will make you think when you say the disconnect for the water heater (in the panel) is fine if the panel was within sight. They damn near killed a plumber the other day when sparky swapped dryer and water heater on the panel directory.


Fortunately is was only some smoke and a burn mark on the dryer shell.


Originally Posted By: russell r.
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I understand Greg. But our installation wasn’t mixed up in the directory like that. It cost me almost a half day to drive there,explain to the Homeowners that it was Code-legal.And We’ed already passed Municipal Inspection.


Originally Posted By: wmartin
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russell,


Where in Georgia?

Atlanta NACHI is active and you are welcome to drop by a meeting and meet a few HI. Normally third Tuesday of each month. Check the chapter announcements.

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Originally Posted By: russell r.
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Hi William icon_smile.gif I’m in Towns Co. Looks like you’re in Cleveland,pretty close there Bud. icon_smile.gif


Atlanta's a place I try to stay away from,all that Traffic drives me up the Wall LOL. But heck,ya never know,I might just show up there. ![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif)


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jonofrey wrote:
So, what kind of disagreements are you having? Inquiring minds want to know.


Mostly small things. One HI,noted my use of PVC Conduit as a POCO stub-down on an UG Service entrance,and listed it as " A possible Safety Concern" even tho I used Sched 80 Conduit,and there was little or no possibility of damage from anything other than possibly a weedeater.

Another was " Breaker Panel too High" even tho the height from finished floor to Main Breaker handle was 6'2".

Another was " No disconnect on Water Heater" and the WH was in the same room with the Breaker Panel.

Never had An HI cite anything that was a Code violation,but yet it costs us a trip back to discuss the " Problem" with Homeowners. For free.


Ok just so you know I am also an Electrician and where I agree the things you listed are not violations and really should not make their way to a report for the HI...I would venture to guess it was like many of the HI's I give lectures to who you would be surprised know very little about " Electricity" other than it kills...now as a HI also I have learned that usually the electrical things get called out MORE from the inexperienced HI's versus the ones that get a little experience under the belt.....

Most of the HI's that are prone to calling anything out because of lack of experience will soon get that experience and learn that they are not their to enforce the code UNLESS it bears on the safety issue as well which at that case becomes a reported issue.

AS for training and continuing ed......to be honest with you in many states Electricians have even LESS training than HI's when it comes to staying up on the modern times and code requirements which is why I personally teach to HI's and Electricians....methods and understandings are changing all the time and the HI and EC have to adapt to them even if they tend to resist.

I think you will find that the HI that comes here....has made a EFFORT to continue their education, they come here to learn and broaden their knowledge which in my opinion is what sets the NACHI ahead of everyone else....they strive to continue the education for example look at all the FREE information they provide.....it is all to make the HI better at what they do.

We have some GREAT electricians here also......the ONLY reason I personally came here was 1.) I am a HI and a Electrician and 2.) I teach electricity and NEC code and felt I could make the NACHI inspectors even better......and I think the second reason is WHY Greg, Bob and myself and hopefully you have come as well.

These are a great bunch of inspectors Russ.....just read some of their posts and know they take their job very serious.....this is why we need to keep the forum away from those who BASH it in other places ![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif) and keep it straight and to the point....to help build knowledge.


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Originally Posted By: wdecker
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Russ;


You said that you wanted to understand the HI point of view. Maybe this will helps.

I work in a state where HIs are required to be state licensed, but electricians are not. Just the opposite, I would think, of Georgia.

Our state HI law says that home inspectors are supposed to call out anything that is a 'safety hazard'. We do not inspect to code for 2 reasons:

1) We are not code inspectors. That is the resonsibility of the local AHJ. In fact, if we do quote code, we can be opeing ourselves up to increased liability. Also, remember that 'codes' are a bare minimum standard, varies from village to village areound here and is more of a political standard than a technical one.

2) Something can be in complete complience with code (grandfathered) but still be a safety hazard. A house built ing the 70s that does not, and is not required by local code, to have GFCI protection meets code. But, is it safe? Would you live in a house where the bathroom outlets are GFCI protected? In this state, if I see such a situation, or bedrooms that are not AFCI protected, and do not call them out (regardless of code) and someone gets hurt, I can, and will, be held liable.

I have had a number of electricians, hired to sellers to evaluate my call outs, call me and tell me that something is up to code. I ask them if it is safe. They, usually, do not seem to understand the question. See my point. Electricans and home inspectors work in two different worlds.

Around here, we have many, newly built, McMansions, houses of 5,500 SF and over that were built from tear downs. It is common to find a 15 amp outlet that has a wire run of over 100 feet and uses 14 guage wire. What usually happens is that such an outlet will read as having 10 to 20% voltage drop at 12 amps, a violation of the NEC (but not necessarily the local code). Obviously, the 'electrician' (usually some shlub off the street that the GC hired to pull wire) should have run 12 AWG instead of 14 becasue of the run length. But the don't. Is this an acceptable situation according to code? How about according to safety?

Hope this helps you. Thanks for joining in and I would welcome any comments.