if you think you're protected from home safe

[badair (Barry Adair, EIFSTX#39)]

there’s an elephant in the room

201571995230_HomeSafe%20v%20InterNACHI%20a.pdf

wonder why this wasn’t brought to members attention like nachi suing ky

[ccurrins (Christopher Currins, CMI)]

Interesting Barry. Very, very, interesting.

[frotte (Frank Rotte)]

Oops…

[mlarson (Michael Larson, WI Lic. # 1672-106)]

Yep should have attacked the patent troll issue instead of getting in be with one.

[sstanczyk (Stephen Stanczyk, WA License #221)]

Ego over common sense. When you trust a scumbag, don’t be surprised if that scumbag turns on you.

[mlarson (Michael Larson, WI Lic. # 1672-106)]

@sstanczyk

Ego over common sense. When you trust a scumbag, don’t be surprised if that scumbag turns on you.

Ouch, that could be read several ways.

[jmckenna1 (John McKenna, CMI)]

Agreement…
Present members are covered. New members who intend on using IR should indicate this.

This was made known on the forum already. It has been posted on the InterNACHI website
and sent to all the members by email.

I see nothing that says HomeSafe can dictate how InterNACHI informs it’s members IMHO.

I doubt Nick is at liberty to talk about this, so I just put in my two cents.

[sstanczyk (Stephen Stanczyk, WA License #221)]

@mlarson

Ouch, that could be read several ways.

ya think?

[jjonas (Jeffrey Jonas)]

@sstanczyk

ya think?

:-;; :-;; :-;;

[sstanczyk (Stephen Stanczyk, WA License #221)]

@jmckenna1

Agreement…
Present members are covered. New members who intend on using IR should indicate this.

This was made known on the forum already. It has been posted on the InterNACHI website.

I see nothing that says HomeSafe can dictate how InterNACHI informs it’s members IMHO.

All you have posted is quotes from a press release. The original WRITTEN AGREEMENT has never been made public by Nick or InterNACHI. From what I read in the complaint, it is the WRITTEN AGREEMENT upon which Homesafe is basing their lawsuit. Looks like somebody didn’t pay their rent.

[ccurrins (Christopher Currins, CMI)]

@jmckenna1

Agreement…
Present members are covered. New members who intend on using IR should indicate this.

This was made known on the forum already. It has been posted on the InterNACHI website.

I see nothing that says HomeSafe can dictate how InterNACHI informs it’s members IMHO.

May be, but the cost seem pretty outrageous, 100% of first year membership fee and 50% ever after. I can’t see Nick giving up that much. Also I think paying members should know where their fee is going.

[jmckenna1 (John McKenna, CMI)]

@sstanczyk

All you have posted is quotes from a press release. The original WRITTEN AGREEMENT has never been made public by Nick or InterNACHI. From what I read in the complaint, it is the WRITTEN AGREEMENT upon which Homesafe is basing their lawsuit. Looks like somebody didn’t pay their rent.

My comments were based on the written agreement, which I read, and InterNACHI’s actions.

I see no problem… IMHO.

BTW… most new members do not do thermal imaging, so HomeSafe may have counted their eggs as being too high before they were laid. Most do not get into IR for several years after they get started as a home inspector. Those who are still in business and want to get into IR, after several years, are a tiny fraction of those who join InterNACHI. Again… HomeSafe cannot dictate how InterNACHI informs it’s membership. That seems to be their issue.

Also… do not believe everything you read. There is other information not being disclosed.
Wait for it.

[btoye (Bradley Toye, CMI)]

@mlarson

Yep should have attacked the patent troll issue instead of getting in be with one.

Agreed

https://realtorparty.realtoractioncenter.com/site/Advocacy;jsessionid=648D6C16DEC198B73076B1F2CA0CFAE6.app311b?pagename=homepage&page=UserAction&id=3895&autologin=true&AddInterest=1361&utm_source=cfaResend1&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=trolls2015

[frotte (Frank Rotte)]

@btoye

Agreed

https://realtorparty.realtoractioncenter.com/site/Advocacy;jsessionid=648D6C16DEC198B73076B1F2CA0CFAE6.app311b?pagename=homepage&page=UserAction&id=3895&autologin=true&AddInterest=1361&utm_source=cfaResend1&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=trolls2015

Hey Brad, it pops up with your information already filled into the form.

[sfogarty (Sean Fogarty)]

Un believable!!!

Looks like the chickens have come home to roost.
The right thing to have done in the beginning was to defend our industry as a whole. Karma is a bit ch…

[btoye (Bradley Toye, CMI)]

@frotte

Hey Brad, it pops up with your information already filled into the form.

Send it on then. LOL That link came in an email I got from NAR.

[imayer (Ian Mayer, CMI)]

I have noticed both NAR and ASHI are really pushing legislation to stop patent trolls.

I really don’t understand how the got a patent anyway. It would be like me trying patent how to listen to music on an ipod. How does one patent using a product they neither invented nor manufacture?

What I really don’t understand is why FLIR and Fluke aren’t all over this. It’s their products that are being attacked.

[gromicko (Nick Gromicko, CMI)]

What I really don’t understand is why FLIR and Fluke aren’t all over this. It’s their products that are being attacked.

Because nearly all sales of IR cameras to home inspectors in this country are to InterNACHI members and InterNACHI is 100% successful in protecting its members (using a variety of means). In the 10+ year history of this industry problem, only one InterNACHI member has ever been sued and I was successful in having that lawsuit dropped bringing the grand total of InterNACHI members who had any problems regarding this patent issue down to… zero. Our 100% perfect success rate of protecting members isn’t changing anytime soon.

[kleonard (Kevin Leonard, CPI/CMI)]

@badair

there’s an elephant in the room

http://www.inspectorsjournal.com/forum/uploads/kurt/201571995230_HomeSafe%20v%20InterNACHI%20a.pdf

wonder why this wasn’t brought to members attention like nachi suing ky

Incredible.

Nick, the alleged trolls are suing NACHI.

Is it time to do the right thing and fight or is it too late because you already gave them legitamacy by bending over for them.

I say it’s high time you admit you were wrong and join ASHI and fight them.

Please contact your Member of Congress today to vote for a patent reform bill that could help protect your small business.  See details and guidance material below.  

July 15, 2015

Some members of ASHI have been threatened by companies who claim to hold patents on infra-red technology that is being used increasingly to conduct home inspections. The companies demand royalty payments – and threaten expensive litigation if payments are not made.

Abusive patent enforcement is known as patent trolling. It may continue and expand against small businesses like ASHI members unless federal law is amended to make it more difficult for patent trolls to harass small businesses.

Next week, we expect the U.S. House of Representatives to vote on a bill – HR9, The Innovation Act. To be brief, if HR9 becomes law, it would make it much more difficult for patent trolls to threaten small businesses like ASHI members.

Click here to read more detail on HR9.

ASHI strongly supports HR9 and is in a small business coalition that is lobbying Congress to fix the patent troll problem.

We need your help. Please email your Member of Congress as soon as possible to ask him/her to vote for HR9, The Innovation Act.

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Fill in your contact information and click “Sign The Petition” button.

We need your help. Please sign this petition that will email your State Representative to the U.S. House that you want them to vote “Yes” to passing HR9, The Innovation Act.

Thank you for your help in ASHI’s grassroots effort in contacting Congress!

[sfogarty (Sean Fogarty)]

This discussion should be moved IMO