Originally Posted By: jwortham
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And we have to start over on collecting those CE’s. So might as well get a bunch done early!
And we have to start over on collecting those CE’s. So might as well get a bunch done early!
Originally Posted By: ekartal
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I have at least double what I need. Like Jeff, I’m thinking ahead
.Erol Kartal
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Good news from IL. Our convention educational programs don’t have to be approved before our members attend. If they attend, and then later we get approval from IL (afterwards)… it still counts and our members can use for continuing education.
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Originally Posted By: jwortham
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Nick,
While that's helpful, I am just starting out in business. I can't make a trip and HOPE the CE's will count.
I need to know the state's going to accept them before I budget for time in Florida! 
Originally Posted By: Kenneth Sitzes
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Hi, Nick
That is not the way Ill works the course as to be approved for there are test the Ill require to be taken. They have to approved before the class as far as I understand. So it dose matter to us in Ill it is a waste of money if they are not approved. I'm sure it would be fun but not all of us can afford to come if it not a credited course. For me I only attend the one that give me State credited for that want counts to me. 
Originally Posted By: ekartal
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Yes Nick. Classes must be approved before you become an authorized education provider. No exceptions.
Erol
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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That is true, but you missed my point. Once a course is approved, it doesn’t matter when you took it. In other words, you can take an unapproved NACHI course which you can’t use for continuing education. However once approved in IL you can use your attendance in it toward IL continuing education.
We are trying to get our convention courses IL approved, but the approval may arrive after the event takes place. In that case... there is no harm in attending as it will count.
My understanding is that once a course is approved, everyone who took that very course, before or after the approval is issued for the course, can then use their attendance at the course for continuing education credits in IL.
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Originally Posted By: ekartal
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It shouldn’t be too hard for approval. Every Tom, Dick and Harry is quitting inspections and starting their own education gig.
Erol
Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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| Yes Nick. Classes must be approved before you become an authorized education provider. No exceptions. |
Errol, sorry but you cannot apply to have courses accepted for credit by the State of Illinois until you have a provider number, in fact they will not process an application that does not have a provider number.
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Gerry
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Originally Posted By: dharris
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| ekartal wrote: |
| It shouldn't be too hard for approval. Every Tom, Dick and Harry is quitting inspections and starting their own education gig. 
Erol |
I think they figure theres more money in training than inspections, talking to the owner of a school here it sounds like it's definitely not all gravey after the state steps in with requirments along with marketing expenses and other overhead
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Erol & Dan are correct.
The whole continuing education boom is much like home inspector licensing. I've saved emails from many of the ASHI Chapter Presidents who correctly predicted the exact same boom with licensing of inspectors. These ASHI Chapter Presidents all said the same thing years ago and they were dead right. Licensing causes everyone to jump in at first and screw up the free market of inspector that only survive in business because they are strong inspectors. Happened in Texas, happened in IL.
The problem is that licensing sets such a bare minimum standard... everyone can meet it. Any idiot that can't get licensed wasn't going to survive in the free market anyway.
Schools used to have to be so good that inspectors wanted to attend. Now they just have to offer state approved continuing education. I'd love to take credit for this thinking but it was first profered by some wise old ASHI veterans on this very board.
NACHI has always tried to avoid offering only those benefits to inspectors which merely help them get licensed or meet bare minimum standards (I confess we do some of that... http://www.nachi.org/qa.htm comes to mind) but I think we've been very successful at attracting inspectors based on our http://www.nachi.org/benefits.htm and our renewal rate of home inspectors with licenses is evidence of that success.
In other words, like a good continuing education classroom in states that don't approve continuing education... NACHI is full of inspectors that WANT to be here, not have to be here.
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Originally Posted By: kdemski
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It will be interesting to see the rate of license renewals in Illinois. I’ll bet there’s more than a few “inspectors” here who thought this was an easy way to earn a few extra bucks.
The list of education providers continues to grow, and within those ranks are individuals who slap together PowerPoint presentations alongside community colleges and nationally recognized home inspector education entities (like ITA and [pardon] ASHI). This growth spurt will ultimately peter out with the strong surviving, just like any other free market enterprise.
I'd like to see NACHI rise to the top of the continuing education part of this business here. It's all about course content and having seasoned, credentialed instructors, and from what I can tell NACHI can provide both. If the bar is set high enough, we could set the standard.
Or we could set the bar a little lower, and have glorified social hours at chapter meetings (by the way, do we still have a chapter here?), like some of the competition. As an example, I took a state approved 3 hour course earlier this year in LADDER SAFETY! What kinda b.s. is that? (....remember, always face the ladder and hold on when you are climbing up....).
I'm looking forward to see how this plays out.
Originally Posted By: ssopha
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I was there at that “glorified social hours” for a Ladder safety. I got the 3CEU and never went back.
Originally Posted By: jwortham
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I saw when that class was announced. I laughed and figured my money was better spent on other things!
Originally Posted By: Kenneth Sitzes
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Hi,
I just do'nt know understand why Nick think that NACHI should not offer state approved continuing education. I know that must of the Members here live in the State that do'not require that but some of us do. I would thing that the NACHI Assoc. would real want to help the one that live in them state to meet the requiremnets that are need. So as Nick said (NACHI is full of inspectors that WANT to be here, not have to be here) So I gusse that He real would rather not provide approved continuing education of the Member or the new Member who want to join. That is not the only reason to join a Assoc. but would help the Member who join that need the credit to keep the licensed in there State. No one said that they did not want to be here I would rather that the Assoc. I want to join was a approved continuing education so that when you atten the special Events that they would be creidt to those inspectors so that all requirments for both the State an NACHI are met so that this would help keep the cost down of being Buss. ? Mybe I not thing the right way if not please some on just let me know so I can under stand why all the other Assoc. due help the Member meet them? 
Originally Posted By: gbell
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I can understand why you are confused!!!
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Originally Posted By: tallen
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Kenneth:
Have you been taking my percocets & drinking my beer? 
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Originally Posted By: ekartal
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Ken,
You must have found the combination to my locker in high school.
Yes I agree. If NACHI is a major HI association it should not be a problem getting CE’s in one of the world’s largest cities.
Erol
Originally Posted By: jwortham
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It’s not hard getting those CE’s Erol.
I get plenty of mail advertising ASHI classes in my area.
Of course, I have to pay non-member prices, but there it is. We do what we have to do!
Originally Posted By: ekartal
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I get mine from the local ASHI chapter near my house. Pretty convenient for sure. Ken is referring to getting CE from NACHI if possible. I’m OK either way.
Erol