I know the question is for Scott. But Scott makes a valid point. I simply say yes, it will hold.
There are many many modern building standards. The American Wood Council, National Concrete Masonry Association, The Asphalt Roofing Manufacturers Association just to name a few. Not to mention our training.
Here is a good example:
I hope that you are right. My only point is to be damn careful in how you say things.
Sure it would hold up. Not one word is said about the building code. A standard is not the same as “code”. A guideline is not the same as “code”. As a person that does expert witness work and has been admitted into a couple dozen county, state and federal courts, this would hold up.
It is all about the verbiage.
We all agree with you there. In fact, we are constantly reminding one another of this. And as far as I can observe and I am sure many others will agree, it is working.
And in practicality, the only time an inspector would likely be challenged using “pseudonym” type verbiage is when some chest beater is running around looking for “gotcha” moments while jacked up on some weird personal mission turning people in.
BINGO!!!
I’m glad.
Like now?
Only when you advertise that you can do something that you are not allowed to do. Especially, when it involves my profession and I will also turn in unlicensed home inspectors, with your permission.
From the 2018 IRC
Part IX—Referenced Standards
CHAPTER 44
REFERENCED STANDARDS
User note:
About this chapter: The one- and two-family dwelling code contains numerous references to standards promulgated by other organizations
that are used to provide requirements for materials, products and methods of construction. Chapter 44 contains a comprehensive list of all
standards that are referenced in this code. These standards, in essence, are part of this code to the extent of the reference to the standard.
This chapter lists the standards that are referenced in various sections of this document. The standards are listed herein by the promulgating
agency of the standard, the standard identification, the effective date and title, and the section or sections of this document that reference the
standard. The application of the referenced standards shall be as specified in Section R102.4.
It is sad to think that the Demi-Demigods out there fail to understand that the actual Building Codes, at least the IRC, is actually comprised of good building and engineering standards/practices that can be found in this section of the IRC.
Of course those same Demi-Demigods would instead use this as a way to claim their market competitors are “illegally” (???) inspecting to the actual Building Codes in an attempt to crush the market competition. That type of activity is typical of those that have low self esteem and confidence in their own abilities.
Such a great point. Here is a link to that chapter 2018 IRC (GA amendments). And within there is a ton of resources.
What you fail to realize is that this stuff is codified. In Ohio the ‘codes’ are actual LAW. That’s why you can’t use it unless certified. Ohio makes you prove that you know what you are doing. We don’t allow self-certified individuals.
Our RCO is based on the IRC. Inspecting new construction requires years of experience before one is qualified to perform phase or pre-drywall inspections. At least here in Ohio. Some of you in other states have no standards. We do.
Just adding it to the folder.
A person needs to provide proof of a pattern. I think that I have that proof.
You have been busting my chops and your state doesn’t include looking inside of a panel!
(1) The inspector shall report as Deficient:
(A) a drop, weatherhead or mast that is not securely fastened to the building;
(B) the absence of or deficiencies in the grounding electrode system;
(C) missing or damaged dead fronts or covers plates;
(D) conductors not protected from the edges of electrical cabinets, gutters, or cutout boxes;
(E) electrical cabinets and panel boards not appropriate for their location; such as a clothes closet, bathrooms or where they are exposed to physical damage;
(F) electrical cabinets and panel boards that are not accessible or do not have a minimum of 36-inches of clearance in front of them;
(G) deficiencies in:
(i) electrical cabinets, gutters, cutout boxes, and panel boards;
(ii) the insulation of the service entrance conductors, drip loop, separation of conductors at weatherheads, and clearances;
(iii) the compatibility of overcurrent devices and conductors;
(iv) the overcurrent device and circuit for labeled and listed 250 volt appliances;
(v) bonding and grounding;
(vi) conductors; and
(vii) the operation of installed ground-fault or arc-fault circuit interrupter devices;
How nice of you to take the time to read our Standards of Practice and attempt to school Texas Inspectors. However we should make sure that Texas Inspectors fully understand their responsibilities. I believe that Texas Inspectors do understand their requirements but for the benefit of them and the Demi-demigods of the world we shall look at this claim.
If Texas Inspectors look at the following requirement with my bold for emphasis we shall start there with the claim from above.
Well you might ask “What is a panel board?”. Let’s start with the National Electrical Code (Also known as NEC) for their definition. That can be found in Article 100, Part 1.
Panelboard. A single panel or group of panel units designed for
assembly in the form of a single panel, including buses and auto-
matic overcurrent devices, and equipped with or without switches
for the control of light, heat, or power circuits; designed to be
placed in a cabinet or cutout box placed in or against a wall, parti-
tion, or other support; and accessible only from the front.
If you are still not sure what a “panelboard” is you can read lots more in NEC section 408 about them. Of course this is all “Code” based and you don’t want to run afoul of the Demi-demigods out there. So you can always look to someone like the following for a non-code description.
IAEI Basics of Switchboards, Switchgear, and Panelboards
You can also Google to your hearts content for images and other non-code descriptions.
Just remember Texas Inspectors we have not been issued X-Ray vision glasses to emulate the powers of the Demi-demigods and must remove that deadfront cover to inspect that panelboard unless we have a good reason not to.
Texas Inspectors if you do question the SOP you should contact the Gods of the SOP (Texas Real Estate Commission) or their Demigod Enforcement Division for answers. These can easily be done with an email “Request For Interpretation” (RFI) which they will answer. Be wary of the Demi-demigods some who may be wolves in sheep’s clothing! Do not run afoul of the true Gods and Demigods who control your license!
I’m not. I am just showing you that I don’t know your rules and you don’t know mine.
