InterNACHI's membership in Ontario topped 400 today.

Ontario is InterNACHI’s strongest area in the world per capita.

We are also the best looking :slight_smile:

And the smartest.

… at least in terms of inspector association choice ;-).

We are the Best ,now lets double it!!!

Why think so small, Allen?

"InterNACHI’s membership in Ontario topped 400 today"*

If they’re all “certifed inspectors”, that’s about 6% of all the listed INACHI inspectors.** There will be so many inspectors in Onatrio that prices will soon drop as they struggle to stay in business or just to get up and running, especially in this down RE market.

NACHI Brotherhood Motto:

Brothers helping brothers compete against brothers!!!

*You’ll have to move to Ontario soon, Nick. There’s going to be a lot of unemployed auto industry workers looking for jobs…maybe you can turn them all into HI’s!!

** Remember the membership…errrr… vendor customers’ list has to be kept large so the merry-go-round keeps turning…on for a year or two…then have to jump off!!
Public posts from a frequent member poster yesterday:
***"[FONT=Verdana]NACHI has changed and is changing fast. Is NACHI changes good or bad. Time will tell. But sometimes this merry-go-round makes me sick."

"What in the heck went on in the last couple days? A lot of off the wall stuff has happened."

Here’s part of an Email I received from a former member a few days ago:
"NACHI is not helping the new Inspector when they convince them they can do inspections tomorrow.
*** NACHI is just sell sell and sell some more to the Newbies***
*** It breaks my heart to see so many put in much time and money when 90% are gone in about three years"***

ASHI Brotherhood Motto:
Charge newbie inspectors to ride along with an old has been ASHI inspector.

Brothers making money off of the back of another brother!!!

The reality is the current market is not supporting the large number of home inspectors. Therefore prices are dropping, as well as the number of inspectors and inspections.

But, Claude, you don’t understand!! Nick has got to keep finding “Newbies” to make his system work. He can’t disappoint the vendors!! Maybe he’s going for a bailout!!

Remember, this is Nick’s show…for Nick…not the members that come…and then have to go!!!

Brian, you are incorrect again. Not only can we disappoint vendors… we are one of the only trade associations on earth that doesn’t accept money from vendors.

We are totally free from vendor influence. What association do you belong to that refuses to accept vendor $$?

Methinks he doth protest too much!!!

The truth still lies in the following statement:

Remember, this is Nick’s show…for Nick…not the members that come…and then have to go!!! (aka the merry-go-round syndrome!!)

I’ll take that to mean that you can’t name one.

“It’s all in the way you look at it, Nick. The vendors help keep NACHI going in many ways without paying you… through sponsoring/co-spnsoring NACHI events, in a past thread you mentioned printing services provided by Prolab, donations of freebie giveways (the bought loyalty syndrome) and however many ways I would never know. Since it’s a closed and very private management, no one but you and your accountant really know the finances but …no one is going to believe there isn’t a big personal pay off for yourself, family, trust, foundation, etc!!!”
Brian, Why not join and take advantage of the goodies offered rather then being a downer and bitching.
The Vendors give INACHI the offers because we are the largest organization and they see an oppotunity to recieve more if they give more. Good business practice. If that helps keep NACHI going then great for all of us. Whats the problem?
Just my 2 cents

Brian, the vendors don’t give me SQUAT! They give it all to InterNACHI members… not me.

I have no use for it. I’m not even an inspector.

I wonder if CAHPI and OAHI members complain to their board of directors when to many RHI"s are getting out in the field in Ontario Hmmmmm??? guess its more easier to complain against InterNACHI isnt it??
Why is it we get bashed ??? who cares about what monies Nick does or does not recieve,he helps out more inspectors in North America with Services/Freebies/ Education etc. then all HI organizations combined in North America who just take members money and lots of it and never give much in return.
Lets all you complainers about InterNACHI call up CAHPI and OAHI and ask them why they charge so much and what do they give in return…Oh yes you have to take our part 9 defect recognision courses at $$$$$ and our other approved courses at $$$$$ so on & so on & so on

Again…Methinks he doth protest too much!!!

Nick, it’s your organization. The free trinkets buy loyalty with someone else’s $$$$.

My claims still stands…the size of the online web farm operation and online certifications offered here perpetuate a web fiction.

To boot, when I commented yesterday on a member’s new certification designation in a very well respected national organization* through a proctored exam process, I received this:

Crmi 11/20/08 12:34 AM grow up

Someone obviously doesn’t like this process!!!

  • The post I quoted and highlighted follows:
    "You need to have at least 2 years exp, have a couple references, fill out their app, and of course pay them:roll:. You test at a local proctoring site."*
    *At INACHI, folks get certified overnight with an online, unproctored test and of course pay for the privilege to be listed!!..Web Fiction!!!

Brian, why do you keep writing that in big red letters. Did you not know that InterNACHI uses many proctored exams?

InterNACHI has always required the passing of a proctored exam (in states that require it, and many do. Read 1.10). Because we’re strongest in licensed states and because licensing increases turnover, more of our past and present members have taken state proctored exams than have not.

And most classroom courses that our members take for CE purposes have proctored quizzes and exams as well.

And many of our online courses are proctored too, for instance: all our CE courses in Illinois use proctored exams:

And our 2-day classroom environmental courses (like mold) use a proctored exam.

And the community colleges that use our materials to teach home inspection courses have their students take our exams in a proctored setting.

You do understand that requiring proctored exams on all CE harms consumers, so I wouldn’t be touting them too much if I were you.

Anyway, by your comments it appears you didn’t know that we use or require more proctored exams than any entity in the inspection industry.

Don’t have time for my full response now but this may be of interest to you:

Testing the testers
Many welcome national standards, regular reviews for home inspectors

Randy Ray, The Ottawa Citizen

Published: Saturday, November 22, 2008

If anyone knows the value of investing in the services of a home inspector, it’s Julie Fournier.
In 2006, Ms. Fournier fell head over heels for a new townhome in Orléans. But after hearing rumblings about poorly drained land and unstable foundations in the east-end community, she paid $500 to have her dream home examined by a professional.
The inspection found serious cracks in the foundation and cracked walls in other townhomes in the same block. Spooked, she nixed the deal, and eventually bought in another Orléans neighbourhood.


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House inspector Paul Wilson on the job.

Bruno Schlumberger, The Ottawa Citizen

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“The home had a crack that had been patched, and re-cracked and patched again,” she recalls. “I really wanted the place, but the inspector said ‘You better be aware of what you are getting into.’ So I walked.”
Small wonder that Ms. Fournier favours the recent establishment of the Professional Home & Property Inspectors of Ontario (PHPIO), a new provincial umbrella group for home inspectors headed by Paul Wilson, the Ottawa home inspector who found the cracks in the townhome.
The association, which has been operational since mid-October, is the only provincial group of inspectors in Canada that requires members to adhere to the rigorous requirements set out in the National Certification Program (NCP), a professional standard for Canada’s home inspectors.
NCP was established in 2005, when Canada’s minister of housing announced that a national body, the Canadian Association of Home and Property Inspectors, would be given the mandate to administer a certification model for all Canadian home inspectors. The program has the blessing of the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, the Canadian Real Estate Association, the Insurance Bureau of Canada and the Canadian Bankers Association.
The national program was intended to rid the system of inequities that allow anyone to call themselves a home inspector by taking a quick course on the Internet or simply printing business cards and advertising their services.
“Some inspectors out there are not qualified. They become certified online, or pay for business cards and go to work and the consumer doesn’t have a clue,” says PHPIO vice-president Wayne Fulton of Napanee.
PHPIO, on the other hand, trumpets the fact that its members can’t inspect a home unless they enroll and pass national certification courses that take two years and promise to have their skills field tested before a panel of their peers.
“To be a member of PHPIO inspectors have to show a group of seasoned inspectors they know what they are doing,” says Mr. Fulton.
The peer review costs $300.
Mr. Wilson says PHPIO is not attempting to do battle with other home inspectors’ groups in the province, including the 21-year-old Ontario Association of Home Inspectors. OAHI bills itself as “the voice” of the Ontario home inspection profession and grants its members the Registered Home Inspector (RHI) designation if they complete a series of baseline courses, technical background in the building field and successful completion of hundreds of actual home inspections.
On its Web site, OAHI says its members require a peer review to achieve the RHI designation, but Alrek Meipoom, the organization’s director of external affairs in Toronto concedes “a few hundred” of OAHI’s veteran members have not had the review.
The arrival of PHPIO is good news because the organization welcomes inspectors regardless of their past or present affiliation and qualify for national certification. This will improve the credentials of all home inspectors in the province, says Mr. Fulton.
“Because home inspectors in Ontario are not licensed or regulated we felt there was a need to provide a direct path to national certification,” says Mr. Fulton.
“We’ve raised the bar in Ontario by giving candidates a clear route to the national standards that will give the province a better breed of inspector,” he adds.
PHPIO, unlike other home inspectors’ groups, requires members to have additional peer reviews every five years to prove they are up to date on current practices and products, “just like members of the health care profession,” says Mr. Wilson, whose company, Home Inspectors, has been in business since 1980.
“Things are changing out there … green housing and energy efficient housing is all the rage and a lot of inspectors don’t understand the ramifications because they are not keeping up to date on new developments. We are saying this is not good enough.”
PHPIO’s bid to produce a better brand of home inspector in Ontario is welcome news for homeowners including Ms. Fournier who works in health care sales, but maintains her nursing credentials in case she returns to her former profession.

NCP was established in 2005, when Canada’s minister of housing announced that a national body, the Canadian Association of Home and Property Inspectors, would be given the mandate to administer a certification model for all Canadian home inspectors. The program has the blessing of the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, the Canadian Real Estate Association, the Insurance Bureau of Canada and the Canadian Bankers Association.

**In that retrospect…CanNACHI will administer the certification model as well across Canada where trained peers will also review their HI peers as per the National Standards developed, but with a FREE CanNACHI Education System for upgrading inclusive to proctored examinations to be introduced to all our members. **
CanNACHI believes in that high standards of certification is important in Canada, and also realizes that **Home Inspectors also **need a choice!!! in were they can choose their certification body, then just having one Governing Monoploy Home Inspector body in Canada.
Our Canadian Government system in Canada Cannot legally endorse only one governing body as they currently have (there is only one now in Canada CAHPI/NCH) without prejudice…With CanNACHI entering the scene in 2009 and adapting to the National Occupational Standards for home inspectors in Canada we must and will be recognized as another choice for all Canadian home inspectors to achieve their National Certification.
We have and will be in constant contact with our Canadian Government officials as well as CMHC as we progress our launch and growth in Canada.
With the adoption of 600+ members strong across Canada when we launch and many more HI"s registering next year. CanNACHI will flourish to be the "Most Cost Effective, Mentorship Inspiring and Educationally Appealing Inspection Body Canada Has Ever Had".
From the office of CanNACHI