The Bloc is expected to win in in my riding which was Liberal territory for as far as I can remember, but will that good for the country?
Me think I’ll vote PC.
I didn’t like what Belinda did. I don’t think she will get back in.
I am not voting for the Liberal candidate nor the Green Party nor the NDP. Time to let another party be corrupt for 4 years.
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
Roy,
I speak my mind regardless of what others say or think including on the Canuck HI’s forum as you most likely know.
But your comment of late puzzles me as you seem to be reconsidering your position depending on the situation at hand which best suit your needs.
An example woud be your signature:
Roy Cooke sr …R.H.I… CAPHI-ON
Marcel,
You should know I do not deviate from my original wants .
Follow the rules . From Day one that has been my wants for all.
Try and be nice I do remember when you where down on NACHI and said some things not very nice.
I see you have given a BILL Type answer ( Just ignore ) on my last questions to you .
Roy Cooke sr … R.H.I… CAHPI-ON.
I use what is legally mine to use
A PROUD NACHI MEMBER
Roy,
Could you please refresh my memory on: Follow the rules and * Try and be nice I do remember when you where down on NACHI and said some things not very nice.* as it seem that I’ve got a Liberal type memory?
While you’re at it could you please refresh my memory as to who said: Boycott the National Initiative?
Marcel . I am sure you saw many of my Posts on the Canuk and they where about our leaders not following the rules did not then do not now.
I do not wish to post information for others but here is the date, one of many of yours .
----- Original Message ----- From: Marcel Gratton
To: roycooke@sympatico.ca
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 5:50 PM
Subject: [Canuck HI] RE: growth of our association
I do hope we can some day all get going in the same direction.
But it goes back to I try and always follow the rules and strangly expect others to too.
Roy Cooke sr…R.H.I… CAHPI-ON
PROUD TO BE A NACHI MEMBER
Don’t even get me started on the Liberals!!!
Marcel I will take credit for that (Boycott). Why are you so bitter? I suggest you sign up for the 100 spots.
A number of us have been questioning this program for a long time. I never saw you say anything during this time frame. Maybe you said something on the Canuck list, but that is not this forum.
I was also a vocal opponent of Nachi. Do I agree with everything Nachi says and does? NO! Just as I dropped my membership with Nachi I reconsidered and rejoined. Circumstances change.
People do change their minds when the circumstances they are questioning also change.
Tyrone it is not looking good for the Fiberals. Even in Quebec the PC party are making inroads. The Liberals and their activities should be considered an insult to Quebec with their corruption.
With a new government comes new policies and spending habits. Financing for CAHPI may not be carved in stone. So perhaps we should not count the chicks before they hatch.
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
Could some one please tell me how this went from certification to politics?
But seeing as we are there,
Marcel
Ca va?
I too come from La Belle Province all be it from Les Cantons de L’est and got out 20 years ago due to Monsieu Levesque and his ilk, the treasonist s.o.b. but that is niether here nor there. I honestly thought that Paul Martin would be a good Prime Minister even though I didn’t vote liberal. Boy was I wrong. After thirteen years it is time for a change of the guard in Canada and I really don’t see any alternative to the Liberals except the Conservatives. I am a small c conservative and really don’t relish the thought of another minority government but if that is what we get… We could be going back to the polls within two years, again, if the election goes that way which is something the country does not need. As for Jack Layton, enough said on that subject. Any body in this country who wants to reelect a liberal government is, in my view, out of touch with reality. The liberals have done what they have done regarding the deficit and the record surpluses on our backs, you , I and the rest of the Canadian taxpayers. All the programs currently in place that have contributed to the wealth of this country are the direct result of the Progressive Conservative party’s policies. I don’t believe the Liberals have the moral right to govern the country any longer. They have a huge amount of explaining to do before I will ever trust them again.
I guess I don’t really have to say this bit I am going to vote Conservative and see what they can do.
Larry
Thanks for saving me a lot of typing larry! But here is the real problem for Canada;
As long as Quebec keeps sending the “block” ( I use the term advisedly) to Ottawa it is virtually impossible for any party in the rest of the country to form a majority government. That by itself, is not such a bad thing except that in order to govern an alliance must be made with either the N.D.P. ( God help us ) or the ‘Block’. How can this country be run when either a group of crack pots ( N.D.P.) or a group of treasonists ( block) are calling all the shots?
The country is going to be trapped in a defacto separation battle until it finally takes place. There are far more Canadians in the “rest of the country” who would vote in favour of having Quebec leave than at any other time and perhaps it would be for the best for all concerned. At least we could go about running a complete and unified country again.
IN that the Liberals fanned the fires of seperatism in Quebec, again, in order to manufacture a reason to vote Liberal ( “Who else do you trust to save Canada!” the campaign went) It is gratifying to see it turn and bite them in the A$$! However, I beleive it is time for the rest of Canada to prepare for the worst. It seems inevitable now.
When I grow up I want to have monogramed balls (golf that is) just like Mr. Chretien. :0
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
Getting back on track. More questions if you don’t mind…
Claude wote: There will be an appeal process*…
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**RW: What are the details? Will the committee be impartial? If CAHPI is the Certifying Authority, how will they be impartial reviewing those from other associations and those who are non-aligned? Will it comprise of CAHPI members, those from other associations and the non-aligned? Will it be made up solely of those who have been certified or include those from CMHC, HRDC, etc.?
****Claude wrote: Regardless everyperson will go through the same process. PLAR (Prior learning assessment review) or a background review therefore becomes a key element in the certification process.
RW: Good, but that wasn’t my question per se. You see, the National Certification is voluntary so I understand everyone who wants to go through it will need to follow the process. What I’m suggesting is that if the National Certification is the “cats pyjamas”, will a P Eng. or other similar professionals be required to go through the entire process or can they somehow be exempt of , for example, the test inspection or some other parts of the process? Can a PLAR alone determine and “grant” National Certification?
Claude wrote: There will be an ongoing maintenance and review fee attached to assure that inspectors are maintaining ongoing education and reporting.
** **RW: Who will ensure compliance with this? What are the criteria? Is it annual? Will those not in an association or non-aligned be able to use credits from non-CAHPI programs as their CEU’s (or equivalent)? What are the costs to the inspector for this? If you don’t know $'s who does? How do we obtain and learn of this information?****Claude wrote: Discipline and Professionl Practices committee.
** **RW: Who will make up this DPPC? Will it comprise of CAHPI members, those from other association and the non-aligned? Will it be made up solely of those who have been certified or include those from CMHC, HRDC, etc.?
****Claude wrote: It is my understanding several other major public supporting forces have offered to promote this. I have no idea of costs.
** *RW: Who are they? Who does know the costs? How do we obtain and learn of this information? Has the marketing plan been developed and is it ready to go?
***Claude wrote: Encourage yes, but, there must and will be the right for those choosing not - to make that decision. Again I am not privy to the financial side of these issues. *
** [size=3][size=2]RW: So, if fees are paid to CAHPI for the national certification process, and they will be encouraging individuals to join, how will they ensure that those dollars spent for the purpose of getting one nationally certified are not misdirected to encouraging / marketing them to join CAHPI? Who does know about the costs then? How do we obtain and learn of this information?[/size][/size]***[size=3]
****Claude wrote: No to your question. A specific protocol is 90% developed, and will be released soon. A pilot project for examiners is in the planning stages. A Chief examiner will oversee the process and the other provincial/regional examiners. Test inspections will be performed on a home in various cities and regions within Canada. The test inspection includes technical skills, oral review and a review of a written report for the subject property.
*[/size] [size=3][size=2]RW: So, just to clarify then…the PLAR excludes a review of the inspectors inspection report files. What are the main components of the PLAR? Is it all about education? Is their a significant component based on the inspectors inspection history? If so, how is this done without a file review of his reports?[/size][/size]**When a member of another association or someone who is non-aligned gets Nationally Certified by CAHPI, will they be able to say that they were CAHPI certified? What will they be able to market to the public about their certification? Does it have a separate or different name and connotation so as to be distinct and not confused with CAHPI members designation? Or will it simply be RHI, ASSOCIATE (with & without logo privileges), NC (Nationally Certified by CAHPI with other logo privileges), Student?*****Claude wrote: Certainly (Canadian) NACHI is welcomed, but more so all Canadian Home Inspectors are welcomed, regardless of affiliation or not! **
*RW: I guess my BIG question here is…where are all the details of this program for everyone to review? In a month and a half, 100 guinea pigs are being put through this process and it appears that there remains many unanswered details! Have they been determined yet? The National Initiative process has been going on for some 10 years now? Why would someone get involved in the process only to find out the goal posts might be a moving target or unacceptable? I think the above questions are pretty fundamental to any process like this? Where can you get the details…in a hard copy format and not someone’s head, their interpretation or an unofficial non-CAHPI sanctioned BLOG? Shouldn’t this all be available from CAHPI in print form? I haven’t seen these answers on their web site? It’s very hard to believe they’re really ready to proceed?
**Further, as with being a member of CAHPI (or any association for that member), financial accountability is very important. How will those from other associations and those who are unaligned ensure accountability for the fees they pay to become Nationally Certified? What financial reporting will be made to those inspectors?******
Thanks for answering the other questions. I notice some of the same questions have been asked on the OAHI CAFE. I guess CAFE members should come here for their info and answers.
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
Larry I wonder why you would be concerned on why it went from Certification to politics. I do not remember seeing any of your post’s regarding this section either in favour or against.
In answer to your question I feel this NATIONAL CERTIFICATION is and has been policital all the way.
Most questions I have asked have had a policital answer ( Many words ) ( not much substance ).
Please ALL Inspectors feel free to voice your opinion agree or disagree it is nice to see some feed back from those who could be effected the most.
Ray and Roy are accused of running the R&R show . If it was not for our continually digging for the last few years many inspectors would be lacking much information from many places.
Roy Cooke sr… R.H.I… CAHPI-ON.
PROUD TO BE A NACHI MEMBER
… and now back to our regularly scheduled dialogue… Bye the way I was not shouting above by posting in red. I had trouble figuring out how to change the colour.
Cheers,
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
Roy
You are forgetting all the posts on the old board where I was all over this topic. I am in favour fo certification and always was. It is the way it is to be implimented that I have a problem with. I don’t believe that CAHPI has a right to administer this program because I don’t see them being unbiased about the process. Cahpi has not shown, through their spokesperson, that they have any credibility at all in this matter. Bill has posted in various venues that NACHI is going to be irrelivent and that smacks to me as biased. The process itself is not flawed to the point of not being attainable but if left in the hands of Cahpi will be just another extension of the old boys club that already exists.Any organisation that cannot or will not let the general public view what is happening when it is going to impact on that public cannot be trusted to do the right thing. We have to stand together as a solid unit and fight the control of the industry by CAHPI. I have a problem with you always being negative in the way you go about posting regarding the National Initiative. You really should cool down the rhetoric and be more diplomatic in the way you present yourself. In my view you are doing no good what so ever by being caustic in your dealings with Claude and Bill Mullins. Believe me Roy I could not give a damn about what they think of me or my views. I have been accused of all sorts of things by people that I just did not do, I have been threatened by Claude with legal action but that does not bother me one little bit. To date I have yet to hear from his legal council, most likely because his council told him he was way off base trying to threaten me me for sending a letter to the PM and Mr Fontana about what Cahpi was trying to do. So Roy do not even dare to tell me I have not been involved. I have followed all the threads about this issue with great interest and feel that going around and round with Claude and you is just a monumental waste of time that I don’t care to expend. However,that being said, if you feel you have to take a shot at me, have at it, I have said it before and I will say it again, I live for the fight. What I do I do to the best of my ability and just because I don’t post here or anywhere else does not mean I am not involved. I am most likely doing more to make sure this thing we have before us is done to benefit the industry than most who are concerned and letting off steam here. Please don’t let my silence here give you the impression I am not doing my bit. I just think going about it my way is getting more done and I will leave the informing to you. I do appreciate the info you and Ray provide and follow it rigorously. Ray has cooled down a whole lot and is getting much farther than you appear to be so maybe you should take a lesson from him.
Then again these are just my views and who in the hell am I.
Larry
Larry Please go back and read my post I said " I do not remember seeing any of your post’s regarding this section ". I went again throught this section and you did not make any post’s. Regarding my post about Bill and them being to strong sorry I do not think you have seen most of his post’s about me on his CANUK forum ( If any ) . He has been untruthfull and very malicious with his statements about me and Ray. We have no chance to defend our selves on his closed forum. This is extreemly unfair and far from proper for a director who was the Pres of CAHPI and on the OAHI board. He has stated I would be receiving a letter from his lawyer.( I am still waiting ) He has used language very unproper and malicious about two others. I will not back down from what I have said about Bill I always do my best to make sure any statements I make are truth full . I also try to make sure I can back all my statements .
You and I are trying to make sure that the National Certification is fair and properly Run. If I feel I am wrong or shown I do my best to try and straighten it out . I do not like to be double talked and when given a
(politictions answer Lots of words that say nothing ) I do show my distain.
I again say we are on the same team .
Roy Cooke sr…R.H.I… CAHPI-ON.
NACHI is the Best
I would like to count myself into this also, but what happens to my $100 fee if I’m not one of the lucky first 100 inspectors? Do I have to come up with the balance? I’m not one for taking any risks lately. I’ve been burnt already for testing the water when it was too hot. Whats your take on this Larry and Bob.
Dale
Reading all this stuff has giving me soar eyes and a headache.
Why you guys from Quebec are upset about the liberals pumping money into Quebec via the sponsorship scandal does not make sense, after all it’s just another way for money to be sucked out of Ontario and Alberta and pumped into Quebec. As if transfer payments were not enough. :-({|=
Back to business. My interpretation of Bill’ motive is that he is assuming that once you are certified you will have to join CAHPI to retain your certification. After all, the whole thing is voluntary. One part of this mess is the inclusion of the Real Estate Boards on the steering committees and other inputs. They should not have any say about inspector certification, standards of practice or codes of ethics. ](*,)
By the by I mailed my application in today
Hi Vern, you opined…
Interesting considering it is voluntary to join CAHPI. This fact has been stated numerous times. I don’t think they can force you to join them. And if that is the case someone had better present a contract laying out the rules, conditions. If they are asking for Guinea Pigs and taking money they had better be sure to cross the t’s and dot the i’s. Quid Pro Quo.
I have strong objections to the Realtors being on the Steering Committees, and I also have a problem with at least one person on the Certification Council.
And that is exactly why I have signed on. I am going to see first hand how things are executed. Those that have applied should be sent a package containing what is expected and obligations of certification.
Personally I can’t see certification affecting my business. Of that I am sure.
One must still remain vigilant given what has been said and done and taxpayers money.
Regardless I would still rather be licenced in Ontario. And contrary to what Larry says, it would not be as expensive as alluded, and would clean up all the special interests and conflicts.
I am glad the big boys can dictate the terms and slice up the pie on behalf of all the independant inspectors and sole operators.
You are now beginning to see those who have sat with their fingers up their nose and have said nothing beginning to chime in. What took so long?
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON