Would anyone know with any certainty who will be administering the “test inspection with peer review” with regard to National Certification in Ontario?
How will the people administering the test inspection and peer review be chose? How do we know they are qualified to test anyone. It would seem to me that these people will either be appointed based on their resume, or will be grandfathered in to provide the review and test inspection. I don’t see how it can be done any other way. Who tests the administrators?
Please no guessing, I would like a definitive answer.
Good questions but I will be surprised if you get a proper answer.
Bill Mullen set up a web blog on his own and asked all to go there
for information.
Unfortunatly the moderator ( Bill Mullen?) removed those questions he did not like.
I also tried to find out who sat on the CHIBO Committee.
I got a politicians answer lots of words but no information .
The answer I got was there is no one on the CHIBO committee as it has been disbanded.
I expect the new decesions are being made by mostly the same unnamed group as before.
So strange so many decesions could be being made that might effect my and others future and we are being treated like mushrooms
( kept in the Dark and fed B.S.)
It seems strange that a person sends in an application with cheque and does not even get a acknowledgement ,or receipt.
CAHPI has a BB and this could have information posted there for all to see how things are going.
Unfortunatly it has been closed to none members and I understand none of the members are using it .
I feel it is time for this information to be brought out for all to see how it is going and what the future holds .
I do know Bill Mullen and his accomplice ( Dave Bottoms) read this board frequenty so they now our thoughts .
Roy Cooke sr… R.H.I. CAHPI-ON.
Thanks Claude I have given this considerable thoughts and feel this could be the best thing for all Canadian inspectors.
It could get us all going in the same direction .
Roy Cooke sr . A Happy NACHI Member
This was posted on Jan 12th I put in my application and wondered has any one had a reply from their applications .
I received a test email from CAHPI that stated test only so I expect they where just testing my email address.
Roy Cooke A Happy NACHI member.
Applicants should be receiving more info in the next short while. To the best of my knowledge I do not believe that any applicants have been notified as of this date. It is also my general understanding that close to 400 applicants applied for TIPR examination. It appears that there was lots of interest. So please stay tuned.
Part of the process includes selection and training examiners. A large pool of potential examiners also are being reviewed. Pilot training sessions for TIPR “examiners” have taken place in Montreal last week end and now just in the past few days completed also in Calgary in order to finalize the terms and process to handle the Test Inspection with Peer Review.
So progress is in motion - so expect action to happen in the next short while.
Great Thanks for the reply .
Did all the potential examiners come from CAHPI or where they from a sampling of all inspectors across Canada.
I had heard nothing of this and am sort of in the Dark as to who and what is happening .
Not much information seems to be comming out and you are the only one who gives what little bit we get.
This has been happening from day one .
The only time I seem to see much information is after some one has come forward with a question.
It would be so much nicer if some sort of dialog was forth comming on a timely basis.
Things are not to well in Oahi, there is a power struggle. Seems Mr. Andrew Dixon has now assumed the presidency of OAHI under mysterious questionable circumstances.
Apparently Andrew Dixon asked Graham Clark to step down as OAHI- CAHPI rep. Graham apparently agreed. In early March Alrek stated he was stepping down. From what I understand Tom Lloyd has accepted the position of rep for OAHI-CAHPI rep.
That is only the tip of the iceberg. Seems there is much more to the internal strife going on in OAHI and power struggles and egos. Seems a certain few (BOD) are running the show in OAHI.
Personally speaking Andrew Dixon has got to be the worst choice for President of Oahi and the whole AGM considering what went on may have been somewhat fraudulent. I can only expect more fireworks and mayhem. Not a good sign at all.
This is extremely unfortunate.
OAHI had the Home industry in Ontario well looked after when they joined with PACHI.
Unfortunately it came to light that there was some thing defiantly strange when Two (2) treasurers resigned in a very short period they both said that there was something defiantly wrong with the finances.
They also had BOD members regularly quit in mid term over many years . They membership was never given a reason for all these discrepancies or why directors continually quit.
I felt the only way OAHI could succeed was to Have a complete forensic audit to clear the air .
I was so sure that major problems existed that I offered to pay for the
Forensic audit with some conditions of mine .
This did not happen they did not communicate with the members and tell them what was going on .
I then decided that there was no way I could continue to support OAHI and did not renew my membership.
Having great hopes that some day OAHI could get their act together I have maintained contact with many members and have heard about many of their continuing problems .
I am led to believe most members have no Idea what you have stated as well I am being told that many more things are wrong beside what you have just said and this information will continue to filter out.
It looks funny when they have to continually raise the dues when it looks to me like they are doing very little for the membership.
I am only one of many who is disappointed the way things have gone .
It was proven in my appeal that many rules had been broken and I understand they still ignore many rules and that there is little improvement.
It looks to me that the future of the Ontario home inspection Industry is defiantly with NACHI .
They and their members continue to help all and do better training at considerable less cost then OAHI .
Quote: Originally Posted by clawrenson Applicants should be receiving more info in the next short while. To the best of my knowledge I do not believe that any applicants have been notified as of this date. It is also my general understanding that close to 400 applicants applied for TIPR examination. It appears that there was lots of interest. So please stay tuned.
Part of the process includes selection and training examiners. A large pool of potential examiners also are being reviewed. Pilot training sessions for TIPR “examiners” have taken place in Montreal last week end and now just in the past few days completed also in Calgary in order to finalize the terms and process to handle the Test Inspection with Peer Review.
So progress is in motion - so expect action to happen in the next short while.
I guess Claude will go back into his hiding mode.Many questions not answered.
CAHPI looks to me that they should not be trying to run the National Initiative they do not communicate with NACHI except when asked then the give the littlest information possible .
It looks like they do not even communicate at all with all the Home inspectors who do not belong to any association.
They take the Tax payers money and have a big Battle with their own associations.
How can we ever hope to get fair treatment when CAHPI continues to treat us like Mushrooms and try to feed us nothing but BULL$HIT.
Bill Mullen posts much information on his secret closed GOSSIP MILL to his favored few and completely ignores many of those who are interested in the future of the inspection industry.
I guess Raymond is absolutely Correct Provincial licensing is the best way to go then all inspectors would be on equal footing and favoritism would go away.
I have too many posts that shows Bill has Much DISTAIN for NACHI
Roy Cooke sr … R.H.I.
So Glad we have NACHI where information flows for all.
I guess Claude will go back into his hiding mode.Many questions not answered.
No hiding Roy - just a need to avoid the obvious, more hostile words or perceptions or claims of impropriety. Is it fair to expect me to answer to questions that I do not facts to speak upon? Likewise, I am not “their” appointed spokesperson. There are many others involved in this process too!
Perhaps I am wrong, but it appears that many Canadian NACHI members have already openly expressed and played their hand on the N.I. Even Nick himself was initially wanting to kill CAHPI and OAHI a year ago, and than he looked favourably on the N.I. ,and even more recently posted against it. What was his motive? Was there another agenda? Again people are entitled to change their POV.
Actually I find it rather ironic to hear you repeatedly state that NACHI provides information and all the answers; yet I know of circumstances and details that I have provided to help that cause. So it beckons the question of why “others” were asked to post the information - but they did not! Perhaps that is why I try to offer “some” responses to “some” questions. Some may call it testing the lines of “communication” between associations. So that is likely why thet say communications really is a two way street.
Hey nothing is perfect, and you will likely get more of the answers at the same time everyone else does. That’s assuming people are willing to view the information fairly, share it and keep an open mind. Than again treat us like Mushrooms and try to feed us nothing but BULL$HIT provides an atmosphere of fair and open-minded environment for such exchanges. - NOT! Sorry that you and others need feel that way.
Its still a corporate identity set up as non-profit, supposedly hoping to be self regulating, non-legislated body, with examiners who will be reviewed by the self appointed administrators based on seniority and number of inspections (sure sounds like grandfathering). Does it really carry any weight, I would say not really because it has no power other than to certify.
Even those in NACHI who become Certified will not be beholden to the discipline/complaint process of CAHPI.
Sorry but the least CAHPI should be doing is sending out notices that applications have been received. (i.e. Thank you for your application which was received on…) That would not be acceptable in a corporate environment, and it is called good customer service. But then again why would a coporate identity that set itself up with no legislation that pretends to be self regulating be any different than its provincial counter part; in this case OAHI who operates the same way. Just my opinions but what the hell do I know?
Love it; Federal money which is taxpayer money being used administered by those with no real power.
I find it strange how you say( I know of circumstances and details) implying that I think NACHI is perfect, You also ignore the part that there are many more skeletons in the Closet with OAHI and CAHPI that stay hidden and you and others who do not give this information to the membership.I still stand by my previous statements ,that information has been given out on Bills Private forum ,and ( Did all the potential examiners come from CAHPI or where they from a sampling of all inspectors across Canada.)
It’s strange to me how so many questions get ignored and information is not forth comming.
To bad you need to see fit to shoot the messenger. I thought I was trying to be helpful in once agin trying to help clear up an issue. My exact case in point is that there is a repeated blame game clearly targeted once again on OAHI and CAHPI. That is likely why others will not bother responding. Perhaps like many that have gotten tired of the same old, same old rhetoric.
Perhaps others have answers to your questions, or to the suggestions of issues respecting discipline or complaints. One need only look here to realize as I stated before that there are issues within NACHI also. Than again not any one association has ALL of the answers. That is why I believe in not putting your faith in any one association. I hope we can agree that they all have their own issues.
Finally, to respond to your question yes there will be examiners from outside of your proverbial glass walls. In reality though should the quality and selection of examiners be based on characteristics like fair, impartial, and those with proven experience and outstanding reputations. Is that not what was expected? Why is there a need to tear apart a process, before giving it a try? For you and others to assume otherwise - sends another mixed message regarding commitment and belief in the process. Simply - are you for it or against it?
Claude I am not trying to shoot the messenger . I have said before and I still fell you are good and only trying give some help. I also said and still feel not enough information is given out , defiantly favoritism is continually being shown to others , and many questions are completely ignored .At least you do give some maybe more then some powers feel you should .
But this is well funded by me and other taxpayers and it sure would be nice if we all played on a level field . Thanks for what you have done , do and I hope continue to do, even some information is defiantly appreciated.
Roy Cooke sr
Roy its interesting - but how many NACHI $$$$ have been invested in the Canadian N.I.? I do not for a moment overlook that some members have contributed in the past through their membership fees to a CAHPI Provincial association. Now multiply that by the number of years invested. Would it also be fair to say that the vast majority of $$$ invested in this Canadian N.I. was invested by both time and money from CAHPI associations? Yes even people like you and Ray paid partly for that - but how about all those others?
So one could also argue that CAHPI has one hell of a pile of time and money invested in this N.I. Project. Now it appears that lots of Canadian NACHI members feel they have been inequitably treated. Especially when CAHPI was selected as the leader of this initiative. Why should non-CAHPI members feel slighted?
As such I feel there is definitely something wrong with this suggestion of impropriety and ongoing innuendo of stating that fairness does and will not exist. That seems mere speculation and a bit prejudgemental. It appears that some rely and invest their efforts too heavily on past experience, rather than looking optimistically and more open-minded to a brighter and better future - where we all might look on how to share in this and learn to peacefully co-exist.
I have been reading these posts for quite some time, and thanks to information posted by fellow NACHI members, there has been some clearification made as to weather NACHI members will be a part of the national Certification, as a result, 5 former OAHI members, did not renew their membership, but are in fact, joining NACHI.
And, they will be at the meeting in Barrie this coming September.
Claude, you have to be there!!!
I can tell you for certain given what has transpired recently in OAHI vis-a-vis the AGM, the infighting with the National Initiative, unruly BOD meetings, CAHPI and egos and personalities, and financial concerns within OAHI (questionable accounting methods and reporting), and the lack of accountability, and lousy response time (if you even get a response to legitimate concerns) you will likely see many more giving up. OAHI is a farce, you should see the letter from the Treasurer of OAHI I got when I raised concerns. Not only did I get lip service I got a dressing down too by the Treasurer/Director who told me that I needed counselling! Some in OAHI do not understand their role as far as fudiciary responsibility, and the rest of the membership is oblivious to it.
I know at least one other inspector in the Barrie area who will be retiring from OAHI at the end of the year. He to is fed up with the baloney. Even the Barrie OAHI meeting group is having trouble getting members to attend meetings.
The strange thing is that most of what I have stated over the years turns out to be 98 percent accurate as far as OAHI is concerned. If you only new the half of what has gone on! OAHI idea of disseminating info that members have the right to know is to impose Nazi like zeal and suspend people for trying to get the truth out. Believe me when I say that OAHI can’t carry out its mandate under PR 158 and its by-laws it leaves the whole RHI designation in question.
That is one of the reasons I put my membership in Retired because I am tired of having nothing to show for my dues. No PR, no answers, no accountability, ignorance, rule abuse, intimidation, lies…
I would like all those who have applied for the National Certification,
to post their name on the NACHI site if they are still interested in taking the exam.
Please do this after 11;30 PM on March 31 confirming your wish ,and to make sure and get your name on the list.
If you are not able to do this then make sure you get a friend to do it for you.
