Once the Committee on Social policy publishes the agenda I’ll post a link, it will be live streamed so you don’t have to miss any of the discussion.
I’ve taken the time to write one of the MPP’s, it’s important that every one of us has a voice in this because you might just find yourself without a career when this legislation is passed.
I don’t believe the committee will give the nod to any particular groups exam over another as far as transferring certification.
They will either have to allow everyone the chance to write the exam based on previous certification from any board as well as those with no certification but years of experience.
I’m not sure which group, if any of the existing, will be given the nod to become the new governing body. Whichever it is will suffer some growing pains.
As far as US vs Canadian content in Carson Dunlop or Nachi goes…having built 1000’s of homes from Newfoundland to Vancouver as well as in San Diego and Las Vegas I can attest to there being many different construction styles and code requirements now and over the past 25 years. Most importantly for any of us is a combination of education and experience and this should be the merit that gets us through this legislation, not the body that currently certifies us.
Victor, possibly you could fill out your bio? Your resume sounds quite impressive.
Me? I only built some 70 odd homes in St. Thomas, but a few weeks ago I wrote and passed the Part 9 for Tarion! Still a few tricks left in this old dog.
I’m not claiming to be an expert in any field, I’m just offering my opinion that we should all be weighed equally under the new legislature regardless of any previous certification.
Some dogs pick up tricks after 70 homes that other dogs don’t pick up in a lifetime. One dog might have the ability to read a textbook and remember every word yet not be able to use said lesson in a practical environment.
I have a child with a photographic memory, she has read the entire MTO drivers licence booklet and can tell you every word within it from memory. Let her drive your car and you’ll wish you had died at home…it would be more comfortable.
Your signature includes a quote from Serendipity - cutesy chick flick with (John Cusak and Kate Beckinsale).
The quote is actually an exaggeration derivative of the Egoistic Hedonism movement from the 19th Century. It can be traced back to the philosopher Aristippus of Cyrene which is in Libya.
As for Greeks not writing obituaries you might want to check this out. http://goo.gl/UtijIf
When regulation is finally determined, I’m hoping it’s done by looking at all the facts, researching the history of why self-regulation failed, and identify where myth meets the moment and doesn’t just listen to the lobbyists and liars.
I’m confident that the Minister, Mme. Marie-France Lalonde, and her team at the Ministry of Consumer Services are more than capable of seeing why the profession has been in decline for the last 22 years and why real change is necessary to fix it.
My recommendation is that those that are interested in being part of the change write to their MPP with your positive suggestions on how to make the Act and any derivative regulation better. Complaining about the wording will get you nowhere.
Sitting back and waiting to view the committee meeting will offer the same benefit.
One of my favorite movies to be honest, along with LA Story, another ‘cutesy’ one I suppose. A Steve Martin Production.
I’m aware of the history of the quote and it’s non-history. To me the quote signifies a way of life which I tend to agree with.
The committee on Social Policy has some of the best spoken members in the legislature. If you’ve had the occasion to watch the proceedings you may have found that a few of the honourable members in this committee are among the wisest in session…IMO
I have written so that my thought’s might be considered. It’s simple.
Have an exam to test Provincial mandated skills and we all write it. No exceptions.
This coming from a guy that is historically TERRIBLE at writing exams!
Yes thank you for the information but your refusal to accept and even demote others achievements is in poor taste and continues to show a lack of professionalism.
Please, can you explain, “You cannot buy this designation, you have to prove you have the proper skills, education and professional attributes to deserve it.”
My very last offer is $4:00.
Here me out…
I know the shipping will be a burden, as well I calculated in a team of sherpas and extra storage space I need for the $3,995.00 volume of dated information.
As well I will give you the directions to Pick City and we can meet up before christmas allowing yourself to be given an around the world tour;) By some lovely exotic scatally dress hostesses as they beckon to our most desirable whims, or at least most of them, hopefully.
I’m not sure whom this is directed to nor where this quote:“You cannot buy this designation, you have to prove you have the proper skills, education and professional attributes to deserve it.” is coming from.
I can attempt to answer your question though. The proof that we as home inspectors have the proper skills will be recorded with our passing grade on Provincial examinations.
What other measure is commonly accepted?
Maybe the government could institute an apprentice program like they did with other legislated bodies, I’ll go back to Carpenters as an example.
There was a time when Carpenters did not fall under a licensed trade. When legislation was passed to make it licensed an exam was offered to anyone working in the trade. If you took the test and passed you were then a licensed Carpenter.
Now you need to pass that exam and apprentice for up to 5 years to become a Carpenter.
Soon this will become a way of life for General Contractors also, many many people will be out of work!
What makes home inspectors different?
Anyone? Which certification currently should award a home inspector a transfer without exam and which should not.
I think you are confused, you educate the consumer.
It appears you are educated but that does not mean you are not without bias.
So when is it right to say other designations have no value?
As for licensing, from what I have heard, licensing has done nothing and there are many here that will give you the same review. All homies look the same, even the novice.
I prefer Grandfathering.
In Quebec, the OACIQ grandfathered REA to RE Brokers.
Electricians in Ontario were also grandfathered. This happened decades ago.
I do not believe that any current designation holds merit over any other, none is currently governed. I’ve simply stated that the education available here for free is on par with what you would get from Carson Dunlop at $4k or Algonquin College at 10K.
Some people need instructor led training…others do not.
Robert I do agree with you. Many trades and professionals have been grandfathered in the past and that may very well be the path taken here.
I am not against grandfathering. I simply think across the board exams are better serving the customer.
Just my opinion, I can’t purchase peanuts for what it’s worth!
Again. ** I’m a guy that is TERRIBLE at exams**. I’m not the strongest branch in the tree when it comes to learning in a classroom setting or proving said education via examination. I learn by doing…sadly.
But…I’ll write the test. If I fail I guess I’ll go back to school…I’m not sure how the kids are going to eat but I have to do something to put food on the table!
I think it’s important to note that I agree with your opinion. I just worry that it won’t be carried out fairly. Who decides who gets to grandfather?
Everyone is grandfathered.
Regulations means new inspectors pass exams.
We all follow regulations, IE insurance, vehicle signage, CSST for employees, visible names tags, etc…
Write what?
There is no industry that makes certified workers retake exams.
Once you are a carpenter you are a carpenter.
Once you are an electrician, you are an electrician.
Been hearing the loud sounds of certain members for years.
Man, have they confused the government.
Decades ago Crane operators*** never took exams*** and are still operating cranes.
Large 50 ton cranes. I know one such individual.
When government brings in new rules new tradesmen/women have to pass those hurdles.
Remember, we inspect trades work.
Existing trades just keep doing what they have been doing all along and educate as the system advances if they wish to remain current and operate newer equipment and technology.
If you have not been practicing your trade or service for x years, you rewrite exams.
What the hell is everyone thinking?
CULL THE HERD to save the consumer. Ha ha ha ha
Now older guys like e see how consumer act as well as the regulated sales professionals.
Just because you appear to be good through association does not make it so.
In two years new inspectors look like old inspectors and the numbers of inspectors are right back up to the same numbers of inspectors.
Look at B.C. and Alberta.
Gees Louise, those Liberals are at it again.
Dam, will things ever change?
In Ontario they did make the Carpenters write an exam once the legislation was passed. I was working in the trades then and my partner and I discussed writing. I didn’t think it was a big deal, he wrote.
He is now a licensed carpenter and I would have to go back to school and apprentice for 5 years.
General Contractors will soon suffer the same fate in Ontario.
What exam? They will create a new one or use Carson Dunlop’s.
If it’s like what happened with the Carpenters 20 years ago they will give us 6 months to prepare for the exam…
I have no idea what’s going to happen, I’m just offering my useless opinion.
I also believe I read that Alberta made the Home Inspectors write also, that in that province CMIs and RHIs were permitted to write??? yes/no?
Julian Warrick Carson Dunlop
Bliss Baker Carson Dunlop
Giancarlo Drenna Carson Dunlop
Adam Yahn Ontario Real Estate Association
Ed Barisa Ontario Real Estate Association
Matthew Thornton Ontario Real Estate Association
Natasha Lemire-Blair Ontario Real Estate Association
Sylvia Pena Ontario Real Estate Association
Tim Hudak Ontario Real Estate Association
Julie Garner Ontario Association of Home Inspectors
Julie Garner FCT
Aubrey LeBlanc Ontario Association of Home Inspectors
These people will be putting forth their opinions to the committee, email one of the committee members and offer your voice.
Victor, I think you might be using old data. Here’s the list of registered Lobbyists on the Office of the Integrity (gu4) Commissioners Website:
Lobbyists for OREA
Adam Yahn, (OREA)
Ed Barisa (OREA)
Matthew Thorton (OREA)
Natasha Lemire-Blair (OREA)
Sylvia Penn (OREA)
Tim Hudak (OREA)
Devan Sommerville (Counsel Public Affairs Inc)
Bob Lopinski (Counsel Public Affairs Inc)
Philip Dewan (Counsel Public Affairs Inc)
Edward Bartucci (EJB Consulting)
Theo Michalarias (KPMG)
Joseph Pagliaroli (KPMG)
Lobbyists for First Canadian Title
Julie Garner (Earsncliffe)
While these are on the register of lobbyists, it does not necessarily mean they will be representing their clients on the committee. The may lobby the MPPs who are on the committee but again under the rules of lobbying, this should not (again gu4) have an impact on the decisions made by the committee.
