Possibly in the US, Nick.
This province is ripe with the practice of awarding contracts or positions based upon weather or not you support this government, and by how much!
Cheers
*Have to agree with Bryce and Doug. Around here in the past, the squeaky wheel gets the oil. There is a lot of self interest going on in the whole licensing scheme. Some groups want control to run the show (DAA) Some groups want their software/school to be the only go to for inspector education…they are not being challenged as far as I know. Lots of money being spent lobbying by specific groups. Realtor groups, Insurance and yes P2P and other franchises doing there best for control
Ontarioachi is doing all that it can to try and make sure everything is fair and equitable, other associations have joined in the fight, but around here it seems the ones with the most $$$ win! *
*Just my 2 cents!
I refer you to Bill 59 thread, page 5 #60 *Bill 59 (Ontario)
When licensing was announced in Alberta (May 2011) Carson Dunlop and one other school were the only ones that were listed as training. By late August two others had been added, one of those was InterNachi. Hopefully InterNachi will lobby and be added right away. That little hiccup cost me $3,200.00.
Greg - sorry to hear that. I’ve heard of even higher pricing at an average of about $350 each for 10 courses + the cost of each text. Ultimately some paying between $4-5 thousand.
Are the I-NACHI education courses available for free in Alberta for InterNACHI members? Or are there admin cost offered through the association in Alberta?
Yes. www.nachi.org/alberta Courses are free in the inspection industry. Have been for years.
What do you need me to throw money at? We have plenty of money.
I seriously doubt that Alan Carson can sit on an advisory board that then determines that only Carson Dunlop books or training can be used, directly or indirectly. Again, using a public position for personal profit is a crime.
No one would go along with that, especially since InterNACHI’s courses are much better. That would be anti-consumer.
The courses are free but there is a cost for the proctored exams. I can quite remember but I believe it was around $200.00 to take it.
Still trying to sell the Carson Dunlop books if anyone wants them!!
Lots of money was probably useful in the beginning.
Now it is too late.
It’s in the legislature and will become law in the next few weeks.
We raised the conflict of interest for months but no one could stop the juggernut of the Liberal government and the TV personality.
What in the hell were Pillar 2 Post, Inspect 4 U, Hub Insurance and the Real Estate Board doing on an advisory panel dealing with regulation home inspectors.
The gun was loaded from the beginning and all it took was that bunch to pull the trigger.
Personally I couldn’t give a dam. I am 76 years old but sure as hell like helping young 1st time buyers and thwarting the flippers with their shoddy remodel jobs, the ill advised TV personalities and especially on two occasions Home & Garden TV and their new show Economical Home Hunters (or some such name)
Both of those disasters should have been profiled on Market Place.
JMO as always
We do the proctoring for the state of Florida for licensing. Florida is the state with the most home inspectors. We charge $125. InterNACHI is the approved proctor.
Proctors in Alberta can charge what they want to. I charge $100 per exam.
We do proctoring for CE in Illinois as well.
I will raise my offer to $3.00 and pay for the shipping.
Bet they have to add $50 more gallons of diesel fuel to get them here.
OntarioACHI proctors as well.
If any of you want to offer input to the committee you can by emailing one of it’s members.
http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/committee-proceedings/committees_detail_members.do?locale=en&detailPage=members&ID=7349
When Carpenters became licensed in Ontario they made everyone write an exam and I believe they will do the same thing in Ontario. At that time even if you had previously completed a college course in Carpentry you were required to pass the provincial exam so I don’t believe any of the current unregulated groups will be given the right to simply transfer their certification. It will be all or nothing…in my opinion.
This legislation won’t become law until at least mid February as the Legislature doesn’t sit again until then. The committee hasn’t even set an agenda to review the bill yet, has plenty on it’s plate and will have to go through this bill line by line to figure out not just the home inspector issues but door to door sales and Pay day loans.
There is plenty for them to discuss in regards to this bill.
Greg, The problem with those used Carson Dunlop books is that CD won’t allow you to write their exam if you’ve purchased the material used. I know, I’ve read them cover to cover used and sold them to a gentleman taking a course at Algonquin College…he will be able to write the college’s exam. Post a message of your local college bulletin board or write the school and they will likely be picked up pretty quickly!
One more thing, the most important in my opinion.
The Carson Dunlop books alone do not stand up to the information, courses and videos available from NACHI.
Courses offered by Colleges in Ontario using the Carson Dunlop books may come close to the knowledge one can obtain from NACHI but at the cost of $10,000. Please note, may come close.
Any one wishing to educate themselves on home inspecting can join NACHI for a small fee and pour through the material provided here for FREE and attain a level of education I don’t think one can find anywhere else at any cost.
That’s all there is to it and the legislature should be made aware of this.
If there is a provincial exam to be written to receive licensing in the province of Ontario all the knowledge you need to pass that exam exists on this site. For FREE.
Thanks for the info Victor. Everyone needs to contact these MPPs and make sure Section 60 is amended. It is unconstitutional in the very least.
Cheers
One more thing, the most important in my opinion.
The Carson Dunlop books alone do not stand up to the information, courses and videos available from NACHI.
Courses offered by Colleges in Ontario using the Carson Dunlop books may come close to the knowledge one can obtain from NACHI but at the cost of $10,000. Please note, may come close.
Any one wishing to educate themselves on home inspecting can join NACHI for a small fee and pour through the material provided here for FREE and attain a level of education I don’t think one can find anywhere else at any cost.
That’s all there is to it and the legislature should be made aware of this.
If there is a provincial exam to be written to receive licensing in the province of Ontario all the knowledge you need to pass that exam exists on this site. For FREE.
Victor S. Wheeler Victor S. Wheeler is online now
Certified Professional Inspector (CPI)
AND THAT MY FRIENDS IS THE REASON FOR MY ORIGINAL POST!!
INTERNACHI MISSED THE BOAT!
If A proactive approach had been instituted in the beginning, InterNachi could have taken an active role, been THE leader in Ontario and recognised as the GO TO organiation.
Now it is too late and like it or lump it, the leader is going to be OAHI and Carson Dunlop and like every thing else in this Province, the little guy is going to pay!
Just another tax.
JMO as always
Well close but maybe not exactly. The information on here, while excellent, does not contain Canadian content. Therefore if the exams have much Canadian focused content there may be gaps. Also depends on what SOP is used or lesgislated, if any. Now the Carson Dunlop have American Content as well, but the new books also provide the Canadian alongside the American. And if you take a College Course the instructor will/should focus you on the Canadian aspect. The exams will all have Canadian content and measurements on them. Having said that, other than the Cdn content there is nothing available that beats the InterNACHI courses. Those are the only two issues really are the lack of proctoring and the lack of Cdn focused content. There really is no reason it could not be done as the CD courses, where there is a difference the two are shown together (American and Canadian). Having said that, it would take a lot of effort and work to update any existing content).
Bryce. I am not certain if anybody has been selected as the GO TO, nor if there will be only a single point. However, OAHI does have perhaps a small advantage being Ontario based and having been recognized officially in previous legislation. Realistically there should be a single exam, perhaps based in the Ontario Colleges and proctored by them. What that exam is remains to be seen, but it should be based upon a broad area of subject matter and Canadian focused. The broad scope of exam should be published, and the HIs should be able to study for the exam how and when they choose. There should or could be a reasonable fee for the exam, perhaps $150 to $200 might be acceptable. Further to this, there may be some existing exams that if one has taken could be considered acceptable going in, to forgo taking exams if somebody has already taken similar elsewhere. The OntarioACHI or OAHI exams may fit this criteria as may others. The exam(s) should also be extensive enough to cover fully all materials. If one looks at the OntarioACHI exams there are 2, at 200 questions each if I recall correctly. The CD courses at colleges have 10 exams at I think around 50 to 100 questions each - depending on course (exterior has 150 I think). What is reasonable, I think the exam should likely be at least 4 hours in length to cover material properly.