New type of shingle - No underlayment needed

I inspected a 2022-built multi-million dollar lake home today with an interesting twist. The seller was home and the buyer’s agent attended. They were both OK with everyone being there during the inspection so I just rolled with it. I looked under the shingles in several locations because the first place I inspected was interesting. And this led to a weird discussion at the end of the day when I summarized my findings for the buyer’s agent.

So this is how it all started…

I found a nice spot for my ladder against the mudroom roof between the home and garage and I started my roof inspection as always by checking the gutter and roof-edge flashing before mounting the roof deck. I lifted a couple tabs with to reveal the drip edge and underlayment and found… some. Tar paper underlayment on the left (house), none on the right (garage). :flushed_face: Weird.

Needing to see more, I inspected a little to the right and left and found the house roof had underlayment, but the right side of the home (the mudroom and 3-car Garage) had none.
I checked the rear of the home as well because this was odd to find. But on the rear I found synthetic underlayment, poorly installed. It was placed several inches shy of the roof edge and didn’t even reach the top of the drip edge. Crazy.

When I was ready to summarize my findings after the inspection, the buyer’s agent invited the seller to participate because he had agreed to fix any defects. I showed them the picture of no underlayment on the garage roof

and he said “Yes, I was over here when they were putting on the roof and I saw there was no underlayment and I asked the builder why they were putting shingles directly on the OSB and he said they were using a new kind of shingle and it doesn’t need underlayment.”
:rofl:
Not wanting to offend a stranger in the comfort of his own home, I responded “I’m not aware of any such new tech shingles but I’ll go home and look it up… But… the rest of the home has underlayment. Two kinds of underlayment. Tarpaper on the front, synthetic on the back”.

If I were a betting man, I’d wager that the builder started out on the front of the home and ran out of tarpaper, went out and bought a few rolls of synthetic, and eventually said “F-it!” and skipped it on the whole right side of the building, all about the time the man rolled up excited as a puppy to watch the construction of his new home. And that is when high-tech direct-apply shingles were invented.
If I were a betting man.

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I had a client a few years ago that got a tile roof replacement after Irma, long story short… they didn’t install any valley flashing (among other defects). Inspection at the eaves and in the attic confirmed no valley flashing. The new roof was leaking in several areas. He ended up getting another new roof.

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i had to ask larry about it since i’ve never heard of them either. among other things, he said this: " No such shingle exists that can legally or ethically be installed directly over OSB—regardless of what was claimed." i had a chuckle over that response and had to share it with you.

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Good find Bert!

I’ll add that in my area ice barriers are also a requirement.

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:laughing::joy::rofl::joy::rofl::laughing::joy::rofl:

I’d place a wager like that in a heartbeat! I love when an inspection turns into an investigation. It’s hard not to let curiosity get the best of you sometimes…

Same here. Must be placed at the eaves and valleys.

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Good morning Im new to home inspecting and have an inspection today. As I was looking at a few photos I noticed the roofing material appeared to have no texture or definition. When I called the realtor and asked if that was a rolled roofing material she said yes it was a built up roof nd was told it had 4-5 years left. All of the slopes look way above a 2:12 and the last permit I can see is from 2017 but there are no building materials listed. My fear is this is a flippers’ special, and they did this unpermited. or was this allowed in 2017? I am in the


Tampa Bay area.

i’ve never seen a maximum slope defined in the irc, but i am not sure about the changes it adds to it.

Nothing said here is worth a dime.

Rolled materials have various pitch requirements or limitations. First, you need to identify the material. I would bet a shiny nickel that is not a BUR.

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As Brian said, this response makes no sense. Roll roofing is nothing like BUR. If you have time before your inspection, learn a little about different types of roofs. It will come in handy.

BUR https://youtu.be/hhZB7r34NIY?si=wFaA8efCONCPncb_

Roll Roofing https://youtu.be/JSFnGEAj6Tc?si=B0_LC0IDkx4Y6Oy1

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