Originally Posted By: gromicko
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I much prefer email to private messages.
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I much prefer email to private messages.
Originally Posted By: Guest
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HOLY COW! NINE THOUSAND, FOUR HUNDRED MEMBERS!!!
Nick, c'mon admit it, you just make this stuff up depending on your mood.
Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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For those who did not know…
Chad Fabry is a non-NACHI member who continues to post in a divisive manner, in an attempt to discredit NACHI at any point he can. He continually challenges the workings and structure of an organization he has no membership in. He demands answers, where he has no right to. Time and time again, Chad has maligned members of this org. I believe there is an agenda, here.
One has to ask why he continues to post in the manner he does. He can simply join another org. He refuses to respect the membership of this organization by posting in the antagonistic and divisive manner he does.
He takes advantage of our policy of an open and un-moderated message board, by posting whatever he wishes. He knows full well that the very person he despises most, Nick Gromicko, is opposed to moderation. He even once challenged me to block his IP address. We do not do that.
I will post this message in response to anything Mr Fabry chooses to post. If he doesn't like NACHI, fine. IMO, he should show us all that he is a person of great character and conviction, should simply cease to visit this bulletin board. He cannot, as is evidenced by this very rebuttal. He is a charlatan. He can spin this thing however he wants. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck...it's a duck. Quack, quack, Chad...
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Originally Posted By: Guest
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| jfarsetta wrote: |
| For those who did not know...
Chad Fabry is a non-NACHI member who continues to post in a divisive manner, in an attempt to discredit NACHI at any point he can. Answer: If you and Nick didn't make it so darn easy to find fault, I'd go away. It's the exaggerations and outlandish claims that give me fodder. He continually challenges the workings and structure of an organization he has no membership in. He demands answers, where he has no right to. Answer: I've never demanded an answer, I've asked questions and gotten no answers. There's a big difference there. I never got cranky until you started calling me names like "charlatan, liar, whiner, et al. Time and time again, Chad has maligned members of this org. I believe there is an agenda, here. Answer: I have never once suggested that being a member of NACHI reflected on one's character, I have relationships with more than a few members online and have spoken to many NACHI members on the phone. One has to ask why he continues to post in the manner he does. He can simply join another org. He refuses to respect the membership of this organization by posting in the antagonistic and divisive manner he does. Answer: In fact I do respect the membership and judging from my bulging email each day, a lot of you folks want some answers too. He takes advantage of our policy of an open and un-moderated message board, by posting whatever he wishes. Answer: I do take advantage of the open board. I don't post whatever I wish; I actually temper most posts and refrain from even more. He knows full well that the very person he despises most, Nick Gromicko, is opposed to moderation. He even once challenged me to block his IP address. We do not do that. Answer: I don't despise Nick, I admire him to some extent. It takes a certain genius to start an organization, get members, inspire loyalty and get most of the work done by volunteers all while maintaining total control of the check book. As far as blocking my IP address, it'd be a gift from God because I feel absolutely compelled to respond to the lies, hyperbole and sensationalism that spews forth from certain folks on this board. I will post this message in response to anything Mr Fabry chooses to post. If he doesn't like NACHI, fine. IMO, he should show us all that he is a person of great character and conviction, should simply cease to visit this bulletin board. Answer: I try hard to be a person of character and conviction. Those are two of the reasons I keep asking questions to which the answers are always personal attacks. He cannot, as is evidenced by this very rebuttal. He is a charlatan. He can spin this thing however he wants. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck...it's a duck. Quack, quack, Chad... Answer: If Joe's walks like a duck, talks like a duck, is a duck saying is applicable... take good long look at Joe and Nick, the words they choose, the methods they employ and the claims they make. |
I'll post this every time Joe posts his, hell I'm not paying for bandwidth. [/code]
Originally Posted By: pdacey
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Chad,
Why are you soooo obsessed with NACHI? If NACHI were a women you'd be arrested for stalking.
You talk about what is "spewed" by certain members on this BB, but what about your own org. IHINA?
From the Pledge that IHINA members have to sign:
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| .....I understand that active solicitation includes giving "sales" presentations to real estate agents about my inspection service, dropping off brochures at real estate offices and / or rewarding or compensating agents for referring clients to me. I understand that handing out a business card to a real estate agent at an inspection site is not considered active solicitation. I also understand that dropping off brochures at a real estate office that promote home
inspections (generic / general information) is not considered active solicitation. I further understand that I reserve the right to accept client referrals from real estate agents, but will not encourage such referrals. |
So, you can't drop off brochures to agents, but then again you can.  You do not take referrals from agents, but you reserve the right to.   When it comes down to it, business is business.
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Patrick Dacey
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Originally Posted By: Guest
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I’m not sure about that, Pat. I’ll find out exactly what’s meant there. I don’t even hand a card to realtors unless they ask me for one.
Part of my reasoning is the conflict of interest stuff, the other part is I just hate marketing in general and prefer to have my print advertisements and website do that for me.
The rules allow us to drop off brochures promoting home inspections, but not brochures with our names on them. I suspect it's a loop hole in the rules in case a member is seen walking out of a realtors office. At least one of the members of IHINA has two or three REALTORS listed on his site, and frankly I don't agree with that, but its been allowed so far.
I don't make that big a stink about it, because I'm one of the few members of IHINA that believes it's possible to ethically market to realtors. I also believe it's difficult and could jeapordize one's credibilty, so I don't. The person with the links is also a NACHI member whom I feel is an ethical guy and he says that he's known these folks for years and he he trusts them to be fair and honest and that's why the links are there.
It's a gray area..
Originally Posted By: pdacey
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From the IHINA web site:
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| The primary mission of the Independent Home Inspectors of North America is to help alert prospective homebuyers of the potential or inherent conflict of interest when a person / agent selling a house also recommends the person / inspector to inspect it for the prospective buyer. |
Why would a listing agent give a buyer a referral for an inspector? The buyer's agent would be the one giving the referral to his own client. Therefore there would be no conflict of interest.
I have yet to come across that situation. I've been called a few times by listing agents, but it was for pre-listing inspections for their own client. Again, no conflict of interest.
What percentage of inspection referrals come from a listing agent to a buyer? Less than 1%? Let's say it may even be 5%. So the purpose of IHINA is to target 5% of the market? Pretty lofty goals.
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Patrick Dacey
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www.southwestinspections.com
Originally Posted By: Guest
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Tha purpose of IHINA is simply to eliminate the prospecting of agents by inspectors. If an inspector has only the person that hires them as a client, then there is no pressure to do anything but a thorough report that sites every observable defect for what it is. I don’t care if the client gets the house or if the realtor gets a commission because I’m not counting on the realtor to refer clients my way. In other words, I have no incentive to make the realtor happy by sugar coating defects. On the other hand if the realtor was responsible for 20 or 30% of my income, I’d have an incentive to be sure that the deal went through or I’d jeopardize the referral source. That’s the essence of the philosophy. It’s not a tough philosophy, it just strives to eliminate nepotism that can result in the real client not getting what they paid for.
I joined IHINA, because I see the conflict of interest in the realtor/ inspector relationship. Don't misconstrue my words into thinking that I believe every realtor/ inspector relationship results in unfair inspections, because I don't believe that. By not marketing to realtors though, the actual conflict of interest is eliminated. The client doesn't have to wonder if I buy lunch for the realtor after the inspection and hand him 50 bucks for the referral.
My clients choose me, either at the recommendation of friends or through first person contact as a result of marketing efforts, they don't have to wonder if I'm the agent's brother in law and we split commissions.
I'll answer any further questions to the best of my ability about IHINA. There's nothing to hide there that I'm aware of.
I'd like to conclude by saying that joning IHINA is more a statement than a membership. There's no benefits really, no message board, no discounts for members, no mouse pads. You get a link and that's about it.
The only other benefit is you get to feel good about belonging to a very small group of folks who believe that ethics are absolutely paramount to this and every profession.
Originally Posted By: jonofrey
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The Realtors that I have been involved with have come my way through their clients that have found me. Initially, I wasn’t going to pursue marketing to Realtors but I have since changed my mind. Mainly because of the Realtors that have seen my work and now refer me. They are not interested in kickbacks and have proven to be professional, caring and ethical people. Their interest lies in delivering a good product to their clients and building good business relationships.
I figure I'll market to Realtors and pick and choose who I will work with on an ongoing basis. If you go to the other message board (IN) you can see any number of inspectors that speak disparagingly about Realtors. I bought into that initially because IN was the first board I visited and those guys seemed pretty knowledgeable. Since then, I cannot understand the logic in limiting yourself and not marketing to Realtors. Realtors are like anyone else, some good, some bad. I plan on doubling my inspections by marketing to Realtors going forward and that's a fairly big double down.
Personally, I think it is ironic for an organization to base it's ethics mainly on claiming that it's members do not pursue Realtor business. That implies that there is something wrong with Realtors and the Inspector/Realtor relationship. This in itself is not ethical and borders on libel.
The Inspector/Realtor team relationship has become increasingly important to long term business success in the inspection industry. We should be building bridges not putting up fences.
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Originally Posted By: Guest
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Like I said John, I think it can be done ethically. So far, I’ve done OK w/o marketing to Realtors, and I feel no pressure one way or another.
On the whole, I believe the consumer would be better served if the realtor/inspector relationship were litigated away.
ya gotta love thread drift
Originally Posted By: jonofrey
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On the whole, I believe the consumer would be better served if the realtor/inspector relationship were litigated away. |
That may be one way to skin that cat but not necessarily the best way. I prefer education, examinations and licensing of inspectors over banning relationships through legislation. I am intrigued that you think it wise to allow legislators to choose whom may or may not associate with. Truly amazing. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. I know you're smarter than that.
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Originally Posted By: pdacey
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Good points John.
| Chad Fabry wrote: |
| There's no benefits really, no message board, no discounts for members, no mouse pads. You get a link and that's about it.
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I find it ironic that a person who chooses to join an org. that gives him no benefits to speak of also chooses to come here (the org. that has the most benefits for its members) as a guest and do nothing but bash its leadership at every opportunity.
NACHI is not perfect, no org. is. But at least people here at NACHI try.
Contribute Chad. Something, somewhere. How about trying to help move the ball forward instead of knocking it out of the hands of those who do try.
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Patrick Dacey
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Originally Posted By: Guest
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Yeah Jon, you’re right, I don’t think they should litigate it away, we already have enough people telling us what to do.
I do think the consumer would probably be better served if they researched and chose their own inspector and kept realtors out of the equation though. I make that statement as a general statement, not as an absolute in every case. From what I've seen of you or Pat, or Eric Vandeven I'm sure I'd get a quality inspection.
Originally Posted By: jonofrey
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| pdacey wrote: |
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NACHI is not perfect, no org. is. But at least people here at NACHI try. Contribute Chad. Something, somewhere. How about trying to help move the ball forward instead of knocking it out of the hands of those who do try. |
I find his comments generally thought provoking. A benefit in and of itself along with the benefit of the free flow of thoughts and ideas on this message board. One thing we can thank Nick for.
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| I do think the consumer would probably be better served if they researched and chose their own inspector and kept realtors out of the equation though. |
That sounds okay on the surface at first glance but if good inspectors can choose to be partnered with good Realtors, isn't that better for the consumer? Chad, you seem to think Realtors are the problem. Isn't it possible that an Inspector can be better at selling themselves to the public than they are at actually inspecting. That's not helpful to the consumer. Is it?
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Originally Posted By: Blaine Wiley
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I market heavily to Realtors as it is the easiest and fastest way to get business. I hand out cards, put flyers in offices, and have brochures in all of the local offices.
The only way there could be any conflict of interest is if I were to let myself become unethical and do less than a thorough inspection, or bow to the wishes of the agent involved. I report what I find, and what I find I report. I also get many client referrals, and sometimes they are working with an agent who didn't refer me again because I found too many things the last time they referred me.
Market to Realtors, Banks, Insurance companies, Mortgage offices, and anyone else you can think of. Be ethical. It is all business, and everyone's money is green.
Originally Posted By: Guest
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Jon,
Realtors aren't a problem..at least not for Blaine. It's the inspector that needs to feed his family, is under the gun from his best realtor and succumbs to the pressure, that's the problem.
I feel the market would better served by people choosing their own inspector.
To beat a tired analogy...you wouldn't let the mechanic the used car lot recommended, check your car for you. It just doesn't make good sense. It doesn't mean that he'd miss something on purpose, but it dramatically improves the odds of him "under reporting" problems. If he told you the car was perfect you still wouldn't feel that good about the report.
Guys, I don't necessarily advocate my views for everyone, I don't think I'm more ethical or smarter or better. This method fits me and one reason I chose it is I don't have to explain why the realtor wants me over for lunch on Saturday.
Originally Posted By: jonofrey
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Chad,
I understand where you are coming from and respect your position. Blaine, I'm with you on this one. That's a bit of a flip flop for me because I have once stood where Chad is now.
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