Originally Posted By: lkage
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Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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Larry:
A few more items here that you discovered, how did you wite this up?
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Originally Posted By: dbush
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Larry, how about WRONG.
Panel is wired incorrectly and should be repaired by a different electrician than the one that wired it. In addition, the electrician that wired it, should have his license removed and be required to read through some of the mindless crap that has been going on in this bb lately as punishment for endangering someone this way.
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Originally Posted By: dandersen
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L2 is overheated. melting insulation, discolored lug.
Ground wire touching the above wire and also discolored.
Wire behind the cover screw holes.
Splices made inside panel with insufficient space.
I would worry about the main feeds which are about to go POW!
The rest of the mess seems operational, though a real mess.
Originally Posted By: Jason Reed
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I’ll venture a (quite uneducated) guess.
Is this a service entry panel? I don't see a separate ground bus. The neutral feed looks pretty small compared to the 2 hot feeds. (One really hot it seems)
It looks like the feeds for this panel are coming from the unseen panel at the left. I think the panel in the picture is a sub panel wired up with only 3 wires.
Looks like some noalox was in order on those main feeds.
Originally Posted By: lkage
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| dbush wrote: |
| Larry, how about WRONG. |
Yup.
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| ...the electrician that wired it, should have his license removed and be required to read through some of the mindless crap that has been going on in this bb lately as punishment for endangering someone this way. |
  
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Originally Posted By: lkage
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| Jason Reed wrote: |
| Is this a service entry panel? |
Sub panel.
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| I don't see a separate ground bus. |
Neither do I.
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| I think the panel in the picture is a sub panel wired up with only 3 wires.
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Conduit grounding.
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| Looks like some noalox was in order on those main feeds. |
That's for sure!
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Originally Posted By: lkage
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| dandersen wrote: |
| L2 is overheated. melting insulation, discolored lug.
Ground wire touching the above wire and also discolored. I would worry about the main feeds which are about to go POW! |
Yes, Danger, Will Rogers, Danger...I left a note for the seller to call immediately upon return. When I explained the safety hazard she said she'd have it fixed right away. I'm was afraid she may use the same character as before  so I empasized qualified electrician verbally and in my report.
Keeps us in business...WHAT?
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Originally Posted By: lkage
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| jtedesco wrote: |
| Larry:
A few more items here that you discovered, how did you wite this up? |
Recommended ...qualified electrician correct.
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Originally Posted By: Jason Reed
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Isn’t it necessary for a subpanel to have an unbonded neutral and separate ground?
I suppose conduit grounding would work, but the subpanel has bare ground and white neutral wires hooked to the same bus. I only assume the neutral is bonded to the cabinet in this subpanel.
Originally Posted By: lkage
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| Jason Reed wrote: |
| Isn't it necessary for a subpanel to have an unbonded neutral and separate ground? |
Yes.
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| I only assume the neutral is bonded to the cabinet in this subpanel. |
Isolated...I didn't find a bonding screw. I recommended the qualified electrician separate the neutral and ground and make sure the neutral was isolated.
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Originally Posted By: chorne
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Hi all,
I really don't see anyone writing what are the problems
other than wrong
what does anyone see and what would you document?
Carla
Originally Posted By: dedwards
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1. Melted insulation on one of the main cables, possibily helped by the acute bend in the wire. No Ox-gard on connections.
2. Same lug screw on the above mentioned connection is rusted/corroded.
3. At least one double tap (on the bottom left breaker)
4. Overcrowded panel.
5. Neutral and ground wires ganged together on bus bar.
6. Most of wires are overstripped for the connections.
7. Don’t like to see black wire used for neutral wire even if marked.
By this time I would already have recommended full eval / repairs by licensed electrician
Upon closer examination I don't think that is a double tap. It just looks like it. The black wire appears to be just bent around.
Originally Posted By: rcooke
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| lkage wrote: |
| ...call it like ya see it:
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Hazard!!!!!!!!! recommend immediate repair by qualified person.
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Originally Posted By: lkage
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Originally Posted By: dandersen
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| L2 is overheated. melting insulation, discolored lug.
Ground wire touching the above wire and also discolored. Wire behind the cover screw holes. Splices made inside panel with insufficient space. I would worry about the main feeds which are about to go POW! The rest of the mess seems operational, though a real mess. |
I would pull the power right then if it were my inspection.
Yup, shut it right down. Discontinue further electrical testing.
Hazard to the Inspector. 
I pulled the power on a vacant house HVAC circuit last week. Went back for a re-inspect and Radon Test and it was all put back together and running hotter then when I first found it.
We'll see if the house is still there on the next re-inspect.
Originally Posted By: dandersen
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| It is not my job or position to recommend that you purchase or not purchase any property. You appear to be familiar with and educated in residential construction principles. However, as a matter of record I urge that you consider all issues noted in these inspections. The listing real estate agent and current homeowner are obscuring information and flat-out lying about conditions of the house. The current home owners verbal disclosure during this inspection was inconsistent, inaccurate and totally false in some instances.
I am highly skeptical of any homeowner who provides inaccurate information and any representing real estate agent who allows and supports any misinformation provided by homeowners. Thanks, David A. Andersen |
Originally Posted By: Jay Moge
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did you notice the green oxide. on the ground, the rust on the lug, (2 metals, 2 forms of corrosion) and the oxide on the aluminum all in same proximity as the frying hot? where is the panel and is there any chance of some kind of moisture accessing that specific area?
Originally Posted By: lewens
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That panel is so easy it hurts
Button the damn thing back up, proceed to police station, acquire yellow "do not cross- police line " tape, return to panel and install tape. Followed quickly thereafter with quick call to fire inspector.
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