So given the example photo below…
Do you suggest that the assumption should be made that it is acceptable for a damp location?
or…
Do you recommend that the fixture be reviewed and confirmed as acceptable for the particular application?
Ok…I see that this has SAT for (1) good day and no one is willing to BITE the bullet on this one so i will BITE it for you…and get flamed in the process probably…BUT you know me as a straight shooter so here you go.
1.) The way it looks to me it could QUITE possibly have a open shower light ring ( the black area ) at the bulb itself…so I would say it could be a trim designed for it’s location.
In the newer code’s it is easier to PLACE a finger on it…as if you are using other than 2005 ( meaning 2002 or earlier ) it even more mirky…so I don’t really consider it something I would call out in an inspection personally.
We have to give the AHJ some credit here, they will do the final walk through and check things like this, while we know AHJ’s can miss things in attics and crawls and so on…most of the time they do catch these things.
So with that said…I personally can’t say I would call it out on anything at this point, and since you are not supposed to dismantle and so on it is a very hard all for the HI to make.
Now…if it was rusted or degraded and sings of such then it would be obvious but this looks rather new and the bulb is set back up pretty well…I believe atleast in MY mind that it is approved for this location at it stands how and I would be able to sleep at night with that assumption.
Not sure that is what you wanted to hear my friend…but I call it as I see it and I think you agree…thats the only way to be…BUT your concern simply shows (1) great thing…your care and attention to detail for your client and THATS what we need more of.
In the safer than safe rhelm you are free to call out anything you wish, That is a right you will always have and if something just looks wrong to you never feel like you can’t defer it…there will always be an electrician waiting in the wings to verify for you my friend…Keep up the GREAT work.
What PA, CME, RMS, CMI, ES/E, CMEl, ICC, IAEI, and CEI said. :margarit:
lol…always BUSTIN my chops are ya Ray…Ray…
Moi?
When it comes to reading about electricity, there are three people whose posts I read, well, dare I say religiously?
ah…just not the ones with CME,CMI,RMS and all the other fancy after marks…lol…you know we make those up don’t you…lol…
we get bored and start to create new things to put after our name…
Ohh…I have gone downhill…but just back 10 years ago I also had D.D behind mine…NOW…I wont go down explaining that change of life…and Mr. Decker…leave it alone…
Paul,
This particular home had a large number of recessed lighting fixtures throughout the home (approx 60-80).
No difference could be visibly determined between the Bathroom fixtures and any other fixture (Bedroom, Hall, Family Room, Entry Foyer, etc.)
I have seen / detected the referenced seal…
http://www.csnlighting.com/Progress-Lighting-P8072WL-28-PG4547.html#ProdDetails[
…around the fixture in other homes but it was not present in this case. The space between the trim and the bulb was open into the body of the can fixture.
Can the differences between generic recessed fixtures and those rated for damp locations be visibly determined in general?](“http://www.csnlighting.com/Progress-...ml#ProdDetails”)
Joesph
That installation would never pass BID Final Inspection in Ga., IF, the inspector was doing his job.
I call it everytime I see this type installation.
Joseph,
In new construction unless the inspector can verify it is listed for Damp Locations or retro-fitted with a trim that make it comply to the requirement it would be turned down in most cases. However, in cycles before 2005 it was not nearly as clear…but it is being cleared up more and more with each cycle.
Again we simply solve the issue by placing a Vapor Trim on it and it is fine, Certainly within your rhelm to recommend a vapor trim and unless they prove you otherwise…give them the option because in the end it is there choice and a vapor trim suggestion wont harm anyone…