myself and several others here in Michigan agree with you. i mean lic/ins/honest contractors who have been in business for 25++ years and have always had a clean-no complaints BBB record, unlike many INSIDE 'only' companies, many of whom have 10,20,50,70+ BBB Complaints in.....the LAST
36 Months! ;-)
now, thats a good bullchtt story they tell! Your right on about those Salespeople who have NO-zero-nada hands on Experience and knowledge, other than how to BS homeowners, they are Very good at that! I weep for the homeowners who take their con-game as fact.
Yeah, your right on about these Inside Co
s supposed lifetime guranatees too.:mrgreen: They do NOT cover ANY futher-future wall movement,cracks,leaks Through basement walls,MOLD-efflorescence-damp spots etc on basement walls. The MAIN reason some of these Inside creeps install/place a sheeting against the basement wall(s) is to....Hide-conceal what i just mentioned, thats right. They dont want homeowners to SEE the wall,part of wall, continue to maybe bow in, re-crack or see mold etc. Why can
t homeowners see-through the BS!! Think folks. Their warranty in MOST cases ONLY covers water/seepage in that 18"-24" perimeter area! Doesnt cover the whole dang floor which, is NOT most homeowners problem(s) anyways! god, it pizzes me off.
People are spending their cash almost-always on these Inside bs systems that doesn
t stop water from ENTERING, wont help stop/prevent mold,efflorescence,further cracking-bowing due to OUTSIDE Soil pressure
n tree roots, wont help stop any of our lil insect friends from entering through the same cracks/openings on the Outside AND, Inside systems do NOT help stop/prevent Radon gas entry! If anything, they and their systems allow EASIER access. Inside drain tile or baseboard systems are needed about 10% of the time, thats it!
With all the MONEY some of these Inside Co
s spend on Tv/radio/BIG yellow Pg ads,newspaper ads, and seems like hundreds of internet ads, they give themselves a huge opportunity to.....BS people even more. Then you toss in some radio home improvement hosts who are on 100+ radios stations throughout the country and the BS story gets Biggern bigger. In TIME, THEY get people thinking its the truth, best system etc. Did i say this shtt pizzes me off yet? :mrgreen:
Member that good lookin
sweety Sheena Easton? She had a song that went something like "You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink....you can give a man your whole heartn soul but you cannot make him THINK"
Sorry, popped in head :roll:
Ok, back to your page 5, yeah.....the installers. They make very little and MOST have very little if any experience at all. And the Inside Co/owners will try `n tell ya they are 'trained'....yeah, trained at what? Installing inside systems? Thats ALL they are told, thats what they learn. they dunno diddley about the things that matter, the facts-the real reasons MOST basements leak. So who gets most of the cash? You know who. By the way, MANY of these Inside Co 'owners' have crap for brains when it comes to basement waterproofing, yer darn tooting.
lateral `n hydrostatic soil pressure, tree roots, what kind of problems occur?
6th, 7th para http://www.yodergroup.com/concrete.asp
scroll down to --Trees and Your Foundation--
"Strong foundations are sometimes damaged by small roots that entered tiny cracks, then GREW and EXPANDED the Crack. Large roots can push bulges into the foundation WALL"
Lets think about just how the heck ANY Inside System can possibly remove any roots off the Outside of any basement wall, huh? They can`t, gotta go....ahem, Outside to accomplsih this. Same goes for removing any Outside soil pressure!
http://www.shakeronline.com/dept/building/FAQ.asp ....scroll down to Wet Basements
Q1) are sump pump systems allowed....?
"Yes, although this is NOT the approach we recommend. It
s not waterproofing, its water management........this approach does not eliminate mold,mildew etc...."
Yeah, and it doesn
t help stop/prevent radon gas either. Its estimated to cause about 21,000 lung cancer deaths per year, yeah...more than drunk drivers/home fires etc.
Q6) what if the problem is not related to surface grading(pfft) and.....water is leaking through the foundation?
"The Preferred method for dealing with damp and leaking basements is to dig around the perimeter of foundation (only where needed,where leak is) all the way DOWN to Footing.......thats waterproofing done right".
yes it is, but all peastone backfill is BEST!
scroll to..... --Federal Response--
" I would say 90% of the moisture problems in houses are related to moisture coming IN from the OUTSIDE"
Some of us have been busting our butts 25+ years and trying to explain this but according to many of our Inside systems friends, they try
n tell ya buncha crap inclg most problems are from under the floor/footing etc, they make ridiculous claims like "Oh, outside method is Very expensive,messy,little or no warranty, outside was already done and it didn
t work then & wont work now" etc....yeah, they talk alot of shtt! Pizzes me off, did i say that yet?
Now, check it out, please read 4th paragraph
THEY say...."a crack is NOT due to improper building practices or other construction related activety"
t huh? hahaha, shtt wake up will ya please. So, cracks are NOT related to some builders cutting corners like not compacting soil on site,thinner-shallower footings, NOT related to no use of steel reinforcing rod in walls huh, NOT related to poor backfilling practices like pushing tons of heavy soil against new wall(s) w/heavy equipment or with no floor in placen others. NOT related to using heavy equipment to close to basement walls, yeah, that can certainly cause a basement wall to CRACK, the weight of heavy equipment alone causes an Underground surcharge pressure that is transferred to the bsmt wall. Shht, to some of us, damproofing is an improper building practice and so is not backfilling with most--all peastone. Is this really an EXPERT? The experts i know understand at least this much, got milk?
scroll to A WARNING.............
"....these evaluations are usually conducted by salespeople with minimal technical training and often the only solution they sell is the drain & sump system. It is not a surprise then, that they arrive at the conclusion that the drain `n sump system is the best solution for you 99% of the time"
3rd para..." another common problem with waterproofing companies, espec in the Wash area, is price gouging (its not just there)......several well established firms in this market are believed to CONSPIRE to Fix Prices.Allegedly, in some cases, two so-called competitors may in fact be two branches of the same operation.Waterproofing is the one home service field in this area where a Significant chunk of the market is held by Completely UNSCRUPULOUS firms. Be careful, don
t let the firms size fool you"