Thank You, Bob and Helen - The NACHI Caravan is a Success

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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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This morning, as I prepare for the second half of an 16 hour training extravaganza, I wanted to share my appreciation for the outstanding efforts of Bob Brown and Helen Jeffrey who have provided one of the most information packed and captivating home inspection training programs to ever hit Missouri.


Yesterday's eight hours on "Windows and Doors" was absolutely fascinating - to the degree that I now wish I had scheduled the entire 16-hour course on this subject that they offered. The informational details and hands-on opportunities were tremendous and received rave reviews from all of the attendees.

The Illinois inspectors who crossed the river to take advantage of this training seminar (some from as far as Chicago) are enthusiastically excited in spite of the fact that efforts are still underway and not yet finalized for Illinois CEUs. Today, NACHI members from the KC area who had attended training there, already, earlier in the week are scheduled to make the trip to this part of the state for additional courses today.

Today is 8-hours on "Foundations" and I am in a hurry to see how Bob manages to get a full poured basement through the front doors of the hotel. ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)

This truly is one of the most phenomenal opportunities for training that is being made available to home inspectors and I urge every chapter to coordinate their efforts to arrange to have this training caravan stop near you.

The instruction and materials are first rate and we plan to make Missouri a regular stop for this team each time they go out.

Thanks, again, Bob and Helen. Thanks, NACHI!!!

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"We're NACHI. Get over it."

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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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Originally Posted By: ksitzes
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are enthusiastically excited in spite of the fact that efforts are still underway and not yet finalized for Illinois CEU.



This training seminar efforts are not underway. This is a untrue statement I have check on this an there is nothing applied for.

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Russ: (We need NACHI Courses to submit, and right now there are none.)


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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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ksitzes wrote:
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are enthusiastically excited in spite of the fact that efforts are still underway and not yet finalized for Illinois CEU.



This training seminar efforts are not underway. This is a untrue statement I have check on this an there is nothing applied for.

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Russ: (We need NACHI Courses to submit, and right now there are none.)


I did not make an "untrue" statement, Ken. You may not agree with it and your sources may not have knowledge of it, but this does not make what I wrote untrue.

Sorry you missed the training. We had several folks from Chicago and Springfield that made it in without regard for the CEUs, but the fact that there was some very valuable training being provided. Hope you can make the next one in January.

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"We're NACHI. Get over it."

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Originally Posted By: ksitzes
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It not if I agree or not . I’m sorry you due not agree that right MO. has no CEU so you would not agree.


Will sorry you thing Russ does not have knowledge about NACHI training Courses. He the one that it has to submit paper work to Illinois.

As far as the folks from Chicago and Springfield they have valuable training where they live. They can get there CEU they need. In this area we due not so YES the CEU are valuable to us.

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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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ksitzes wrote:
It not if I agree or not . I'm sorry you due not agree that right MO. has no CEU so you would not agree.

Will sorry you thing Russ does not have knowledge about NACHI training Courses. He the one that it has to submit paper work to Illinois.

As far as the folks from Chicago and Springfield they have valuable training where they live. They can get there CEU they need. In this area we due not so YES the CEU are valuable to us.


You said that I made a remark that was "untrue". You are incorrect.

As far as the number of CEUs required by Missouri, that is totally irrelevant. NACHI requires 24. This chapter has provided 23 in the last 60 days - 6 of which were worth an entire year of Illinois CEUs, with which you were credited.

If you are able to look beyond the Illionis creditation of CEUs (which is only 25% of NACHI's annual requirements), the topic of this thread is relative to the quality training program that is being provided by NACHI through the efforts and expertise of two very talented people - Bob and Helen. Those of us who attended where caught up in it and we all came away with more knowledge than we entered with - much to our benefit and to the benefit of our clients. Again, sorry you chose not to attend.

The Central Missouri Chapter will be combining its meeting with the new Springfield chapter in November so that we can join them in welcoming Nick (for some unaccredited marketing training), along with a very much anticipated return of Bob and Helen for their Electrical course.

With this meeting, members of our chapter will have received 37 CEUs in 90 days.

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www.missourihomeinspection.com

"We're NACHI. Get over it."

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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I agree with Jim’s statements.


There is a difference between "approved" CEUs and "state required" CEUs. A big difference.

NACHI approved CEUs count toward those as required for continued membership in this organization. Sometimes they count toward State Required credits, while sometimes they do not.

I can tell you that the State of Illinous is one of the mose difficult states to get course approval from. As an example, RTCA, one of the premeir radon testing labs in the world, offers a radon certification class which is approved in about 48 states. The two states it is not currently approved in are Illinois and Ohio. They exceed the Ohio requirement, and will submit their application at NACHIs request.

Their instructor and course designer is Andreas George. Andy was THE physicist for the Atomic Energy Comission, and US Department of Energy who lead the study of radon and its effects on miners. His credentials are unmatched. HE also helped develop the exam currently in use by the NAtional Radon Safety Board, one of only two accrediting agencies approved by the EPA.

All this, and still no Illinous approval for RTCA. Why? No one knows, but it goes to the heart of this thread.

It is NACHI's duty to offer quality education to its members. This is fact. It is not NACHIs duty, however, to guarantee that every course it approves for CEU credit is also approved for licensure. tTat duty rests with the following: the program provider ( educator) and those NACHI members interested in having the course approved in their state. NACHI does not have the staff to follow this process in all states. Responsibility is shared. It cannot rest solely on the shoulders of the organization.

State approvals are a sometimes daunting process, which requires the efforts of those NACHI members who, aside from needing NACHI credits, also need State Required CEUs for licensure.

This is why most State Approved courses, even if not NACHI courses, also will count for NACHI CEU

To criticize Rob Browns course, simly because Illinois has yet to approve it, is unfair and unwarrented. To say that a statement made in this thread by Jim Bushart is untrue, one would need to know that NACHI HQ is, in fact, doing nothing in the way of trying to get things approved.

Let's stick to facts: the course in question is an excellent course, and counts for NACHI CEUs. No one is forcing anyone to attend it. If someone feels it is a waste of time, simply because it is not approved by their state, is being short-sighted, IMO.

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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

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Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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ksitzes wrote:
It not if I agree or not . I'm sorry you due not agree that right MO. has no CEU so you would not agree.

Will sorry you thing Russ does not have knowledge about NACHI training Courses. He the one that it has to submit paper work to Illinois.

As far as the folks from Chicago and Springfield they have valuable training where they live. They can get there CEU they need. In this area we due not so YES the CEU are valuable to us.


Kenneth:

The NACHI Caravan is not approved by the State of Illinois for CEU Credit. NACHI should clearly differentiate the difference rather than misrepresent the value of the course offering.

Training may be free so the lack of expense is not relevant to some individuals. However, the loss of Business revenue incurred by not performing Inspections to attend training is also a cost attributed to Training.

In the case of Illinois CEU, the free training would not be cost effective.

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Joseph Hagarty

HouseMaster / Main Line, PA
joseph.hagarty@housemaster.com
www.householdinspector.com

Phone: 610-399-9864
Fax : 610-399-9865

HouseMaster. Home inspections. Done right.
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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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jhagarty wrote:
NACHI should clearly differentiate the difference rather than misrepresent the value of the course offering.


I did not make any "untrue" statements regarding this program and NACHI did not "misrepresent" anything related to this course. Your position on this issue, Joe H., is unusually obnoxious - even for you.

I have come to understand that your lastest mission in life, since your abrupt departure as president of this association, is to side with anyone on any issue that could possibly be critical of NACHI and its leadership. I have learned to grin, shake my head and move on to the next post. But in this case, you seem to be taking a stand against one of the most innovative and effective tools that NACHI has made available to its members.

Everyone knows that training requires an interruption to their business. Fortunately for the consumers in Illinois, many Illinois insppectors (some who are not NACHI members) have travelled farther than 500 miles to attend seminars in Missouri that they knew were not going to award "state CEUs" - and were willing to interrupt theieir business - for the single purpose of gaining knowledge that would help them to better serve their clients. I am sorry for you and anyone else who may have difficulty in understanding this concept.

There are more legitimate and profitable reasons to sharpen skills and gain knowledge than just because your license requires you too.

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Home Inspection Services of Missouri
www.missourihomeinspection.com

"We're NACHI. Get over it."

www.monachi.org
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Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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jbushart wrote:
jhagarty wrote:
NACHI should clearly differentiate the difference rather than misrepresent the value of the course offering.


I did not make any "untrue" statements regarding this program and NACHI did not "misrepresent" anything related to this course. Your position on this issue, Joe H., is unusually obnoxious - even for you.

I have come to understand that your lastest mission in life, since your abrupt departure as president of this association, is to side with anyone on any issue that could possibly be critical of NACHI and its leadership. I have learned to grin, shake my head and move on to the next post. But in this case, you seem to be taking a stand against one of the most innovative and effective tools that NACHI has made available to its members.

Everyone knows that training requires an interruption to their business. Fortunately for the consumers in Illinois, many Illinois insppectors (some who are not NACHI members) have travelled farther than 500 miles to attend seminars in Missouri that they knew were not going to award "state CEUs" - and were willing to interrupt theieir business - for the single purpose of gaining knowledge that would help them to better serve their clients. I am sorry for you and anyone else who may have difficulty in understanding this concept.

There are more legitimate and profitable reasons to sharpen skills and gain knowledge than just because your license requires you too.




jhagarty wrote:
ksitzes wrote:
It not if I agree or not . I'm sorry you due not agree that right MO. has no CEU so you would not agree.

Will sorry you thing Russ does not have knowledge about NACHI training Courses. He the one that it has to submit paper work to Illinois.

As far as the folks from Chicago and Springfield they have valuable training where they live. They can get there CEU they need. In this area we due not so YES the CEU are valuable to us.


Kenneth:

The NACHI Caravan is not approved by the State of Illinois for CEU Credit. NACHI should clearly differentiate the difference rather than misrepresent the value of the course offering.

Training may be free so the lack of expense is not relevant to some individuals. However, the loss of Business revenue incurred by not performing Inspections to attend training is also a cost attributed to Training.

In the case of Illinois CEU, the free training would not be cost effective.



James:

For States that have State mandated CEU requirements, NACHI should clearly differentiate the course offerings as to which are or are not State approved.

Nothing personal intended in my comments.

If attendance at training is a Social event for you....great. For me, it is about Business and the costs incurred in the operation of the Business.

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Joseph Hagarty

HouseMaster / Main Line, PA
joseph.hagarty@housemaster.com
www.householdinspector.com

Phone: 610-399-9864
Fax : 610-399-9865

HouseMaster. Home inspections. Done right.
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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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Once again, Joe, there are more reasons to attend training than just because your state requires it for licensing — or because your franchise requires it.


Ken Sitzes knew well in advance that this training would not offer Illinois CEUs on this trip, which was why he decided not to attend. This information was conveyed to Illinois NACHI members through a variety of medium. No one misrepresented to him or to anyone else that this training provided Illinois CEUs.

On what basis do you present your argument that there was misrepresentation?

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www.missourihomeinspection.com

"We're NACHI. Get over it."

www.monachi.org

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Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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jbushart wrote:


On what basis do you present your argument that there was misrepresentation?




http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?p=166597&highlight=caravan#166597


jbowman wrote:


The NACHI Caravan does meet Illinois CEU requirements. They are in the approval process now.

NACHI is doing its best to assist your state. Hopefully you and your chapter members are also working on this. Hope your not being totally dependent on NACHI.



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Joseph Hagarty

HouseMaster / Main Line, PA
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www.householdinspector.com

Phone: 610-399-9864
Fax : 610-399-9865

HouseMaster. Home inspections. Done right.
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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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I agree with Joe that not all NACHI approved courses meet CEU requirements in states with HI licensure in place.


Perhaps NACHI can do a better job of clarifying this. However, if I were required to take the state approved courses to meet my licensing requirements, I would make damned sure that the course I was taking met the State requirements and had the necessary approvals BEFORE signing up.

I still say that the respnsibility rests on the shoulders of the atendee.

As you correctly stated, Joe... mandatory attendance at state-approved training versus voluntary training is a business decision.

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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

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Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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jfarsetta wrote:


I agree with Joe that not all NACHI approved courses meet CEU requirements in states with HI licensure in place.

Perhaps NACHI can do a better job of clarifying this. However, if I were required to take the state approved courses to meet my licensing requirements, I would make damned sure that the course I was taking met the State requirements and had the necessary approvals BEFORE signing up.

I still say that the respnsibility rests on the shoulders of the atendee.

As you correctly stated, Joe... mandatory attendance at state-approved training versus voluntary training is a business decision.


Thank you.

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Joseph Hagarty

HouseMaster / Main Line, PA
joseph.hagarty@housemaster.com
www.householdinspector.com

Phone: 610-399-9864
Fax : 610-399-9865

HouseMaster. Home inspections. Done right.
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Originally Posted By: jbushart
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Whether by design or by accident, you seem to have missed the context of this remark, as indicated by your having not highlighted the sentence that immediately follows the one that you did highlight.


John was remarking that, although the course as it was designed and taught, does meet the requirements of the State of Illinois - the necessary paperwork to obtain official approval was still pending.

There was no doubt in Mr. Sitzes mind as to what the status of the Illinois recognition was, which is why he decided to forego the 45 minute drive. There was no doubt in the mind of the attendee from Springfield, Illiinois, who drove two and one half hours, as to the status of the credits. It was fully understood by the home inspector (with the bachelor of schience degree in engineering) who is not a member and flew in and stayed two nights from Chicago, Illinois.

You seem to be the only one who was confused by this. Is that why you did not attend?

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"We're NACHI. Get over it."

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Originally Posted By: ksitzes
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I never once said that the training was in any way bad. I never misrepresent the value of the course offering I’m sure it was great. I’m saying that it has never been sent in for approval as Mr. jbushart stated. I have E-Mail Aimee she stated that the course has been sent in. Mr. Meyer state that he has rec. nothing for this course.


Someone is confused for (CEU from the State of Illinois is pending. Information regarding Illinois CEU credits will be provided when the applications have been responded to ) which has never been send in. This according to Russ Meyer which is the Illinois person who sends the info. to the state. He has ask for the stuff he needs an no has responded yet.

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Originally Posted By: rbrown1
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ksitzes wrote:
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are enthusiastically excited in spite of the fact that efforts are still underway and not yet finalized for Illinois CEU.



This training seminar efforts are not underway. This is a untrue statement I have check on this an there is nothing applied for.

Quote:
Russ: (We need NACHI Courses to submit, and right now there are none.)



KEN,

There is no misunderstanding. Many of our courses apparently meet your State guidelines. However, there was not enough time to have everything sent to Russ in time for this event.

With that said, once we return home your State requirements, course materials and all, will be forwarded to Russ in order to proceed with these requirements.

We have NEVER stated that we have met any State requirements to date!

I am positive that as soon as we have each States approval, each will be posted.

If you (or anyone) has any further questions regarding our training, you, as well as any others, are more than welcome to email us directly.

If someone wants to know the facts, then it would behove them to ask the principal party concerned, at least that is what I would do.

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Bob Brown
President NACHI Du-Ka Chapter ON. Canada
NACHI Cell: 1-484-429-5465

ACISS Home Inspections
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Originally Posted By: rbrown1
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jhagarty wrote:
ksitzes wrote:
It not if I agree or not . I'm sorry you due not agree that right MO. has no CEU so you would not agree.

Will sorry you thing Russ does not have knowledge about NACHI training Courses. He the one that it has to submit paper work to Illinois.

As far as the folks from Chicago and Springfield they have valuable training where they live. They can get there CEU they need. In this area we due not so YES the CEU are valuable to us.


Kenneth:

The NACHI Caravan is not approved by the State of Illinois for CEU Credit. NACHI should clearly differentiate the difference rather than misrepresent the value of the course offering.

Training may be free so the lack of expense is not relevant to some individuals. However, the loss of Business revenue incurred by not performing Inspections to attend training is also a cost attributed to Training.

In the case of Illinois CEU, the free training would not be cost effective.



Mr. Hagerty,

I have not yet had the pleasure of meeting you and I do hope we are able to in the near future.

I cannot agree with some parts of your statement. Nothing is totally free as I am sure you are well aware. If we want to start nit-picking, it costs money to get to any Seminar, Chapter Meeting or any Education Session, even if the cost is only gas.

To say blatantly that education is not cost effective when OUR Association is offering it for free is ridiculous, to say the least. Do you know of any other association that is doing anything near this for their members?

It is unfortunate that some decided not to join in on this Education for their own benefit. As I understand it, Illinois only requires 6 State approved CEUs per year, whereas NACHI requires 24. This is the primary reason for us taking to the road, not the State CEUs.

However, if and when we are approved this will only be more of a benefit to OUR Members, no?

Education is what is the backbone of any quality Inspector. So, would it not be a benefit to all Inspectors to further their knowledge rather than just complete the bare minimum?

No matter what anyone does, it takes someone to start it. The person who starts it usually is the one who bears the brunt of possible attacks from others. Constructive criticism is good. If the people running this would have completed everything prior to taking that first step we would be waiting forever. The fact is that we have only just begun and with proper help and guidance from OUR members this will be of great benefit to all.

Mistakes will happen and some people will jump on that rather than help to turn these errors around. If I may be this bold sir, which side would you like to stand on?

Thank you for your time, and have a great day! ![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif)

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Bob Brown
President NACHI Du-Ka Chapter ON. Canada
NACHI Cell: 1-484-429-5465

ACISS Home Inspections
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Originally Posted By: hjeffrey
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