What is wrong with this picture?

Originally Posted By: jmyers
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Here are some pictures on a new construction home. Take a look at the pictures and tell me if you can find out what is missing.


http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/usrimages/Image034.jpg

http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/usrimages/Image035.jpg

Joe Myers


Originally Posted By: Blaine Wiley
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Looks like them thar openins need a header.


Blaine

PS Is it just the picture, or is that sill plate over the door opening sagging, and is it PT lumber? ![icon_eek.gif](upload://yuxgmvDDEGIQPAyP9sRnK0D0CCY.gif)


Originally Posted By: psabados
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Let me try on the first pic


I'm assuming thats a garage at the top of the steps

Header at doorway missing. No fire rated door. No handrails on stairs. Possibly no light in the stairwell. Wall switch J-box installed, power circuit not in protective conduit. Sill plate does not look like it pressure treated.

Why did they drill the floor joists and run the three circuits through them.

I'd also move some insulation and verify that the sill plate is bolted

Paul


Originally Posted By: cnordby
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remember, so no smart alec remarks.) icon_lol.gif



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Originally Posted By: dbush
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Cheryl, those joists are actually manufactured “I” joists. They are made with knockouts in the middle of the wood so you can run the wires through them. They are predrilled and a small tap of the hammer “should” knock them out, hence the name. Large taps of the hammer get a larger hole, such as you have on the right hand side.


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Originally Posted By: jpope
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Cheryl,


Actually, these types of joists can be penetrated quite a bit before their integrity is compromised. As long as the penetrations are within the web, the standard rules for hole sizes and locations don't apply.

I see the lack of a header as being the biggest issue. I'm sure there's more.


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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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I see nothing missing.


Some area's may require the light bulb to have a cover, the ROMEX running down the wall to be in conduit, or a handrail on the stairs. But I don't see a header problem from these pics.

Nick


Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Wait I think I got it! Depending on climate, the plastic water line near the uninsulated Bilco door entrance might be a freeze hazard.


Nick

PS. Also, I don't like the PVC waste line relying on long plastic pipe strap in picture 2, but I wouldn't mention it in a report.


Originally Posted By: jpope
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It may be that there is no requirement in this local jurisdiction, but typically a header of some type is required over openings.


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Originally Posted By: psabados
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I agree with Jeff


That door area framing is wrong.

Again if thats a garage at the top of the steps. Where's the fire rated door?

Paul


Originally Posted By: Blaine Wiley
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All,


I can see a handrail on the stairs, and there is a cover over the steps, so the light at the base, in the picture should suffice. I my area, if that sill plate isn't pressure treated lumber, that would be a big deal. Also, some sort of header would have to be installed for the joist ends. The picture makes the top of the window look like it is sagging too.

Blaine


Originally Posted By: psabados
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Very good Blaine


I enlarged the pic. Can barely make out the handrail. It does appear to have an exterior metal door and housing.

Still don't like the header

Paul


Originally Posted By: jpope
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Blaine,


You're correct. Any wood in contact with concrete is supposed to be treated. ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)


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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Does it have to be treated in your area if it has sill sealer? I can see a piece of the blue foam hanging down between the sill and the foundation on the right side of the door in pic #1. I agree it should be treated regardless.


Nick


Originally Posted By: Blaine Wiley
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It is required here in FL and in northern VA to be PT regardless of the sill sealer. A bug man in NVA told me that a hefty squad of carpenter ants will tear through that blue foam like a hot knife through butter, but it was the local county building inspector who splained it to me.


Blaine


Originally Posted By: jpope
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In California (and I believe most of the U.S.) any lumber in contact with concrete or earth must be treated. “Contact” being the key word. Split that hair any way you want.



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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Yes, Jeff. The original purpose of sill sealer was to get around that requirement and avoid the expense of a Wolmanized sill (like in these pics). But I know many builders use both. Sill sealer works pretty well for rot because it adds an air space between the wood and concrete, but it doesn’t do much for termites.


Nick


Originally Posted By: jpope
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I’ve seen a “sill plate gasket” and “termite shield” used in several applications, but I don’t think either can take the place of a Wolmanized (or comparable) sill plate.


I'll look a little deeper into it before I say this to be absolute ![icon_rolleyes.gif](upload://iqxt7ABYC2TEBomNkCmZARIrQr6.gif)


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Originally Posted By: ecrofutt
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Looks more like a cellar door going out of a basement or crawl space area.


Insulation hides whether or not squash blocks are in place for the I joist.

It also hides whether or not the rim joist was doubled to act as a header and whether or not joist hangers were used (not typical) for the joists.

Can't tell for sure but the water supply piping appears to be PVC. IRC P2904.5 prohibits PVC. Close examination would tell if PVC or CPVC.

Joe, how about some background on what kind of space this is.


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Originally Posted By: cnordby
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I love these types of posts! what fun it is to see all the stuff that’s wrong with that picture. icon_eek.gif



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