BS. Where do you get this crap, and why do you spread it around?
Just when I think they said the dumbest thing ever they keep talking
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They have an unhealthy obsession with the 1802 and how they are done.
Home inspectors only got added to the list once they became licensed. Before that it was basically the contractors that ran the game with the WCE’s
I don’t see a section for pictures either, do you not send those? If you can attach pictures, why can’t you attach a section relating to deficient connections?
Ask the insurer if they would be interested in knowing the connectors between to girders were deficient and not rated for uplift, see what they say. Ask them if they care of a roofing system is leaking?
A. did you inspect the home to complete the form?
B. did you charge a fee to the client?
C. did you provide a report in writing to the client?
D. were you required to be licensed to complete the form?
E. was education directly related to the form part of your licensure?
F. was the statute of your licensure listed on the form to qualify you?
G. are there standards and statutes attached to that license?
H. they they describe how and when your licensure is applicable?
…do you want me to continue?
Maybe he got it here?
2009: 627.711 Notice of premium discounts for hurricane loss mitigation; uniform mitigation verification inspection form.–
(2) By July 1, 2007, the Financial Services Commission shall develop by rule a uniform mitigation verification inspection form that shall be used by all insurers when submitted by policyholders for the purpose of factoring discounts for wind insurance. In developing the form, the commission shall seek input from insurance, construction, and building code representatives. Further, the commission shall provide guidance as to the length of time the inspection results are valid. An insurer shall accept as valid a uniform mitigation verification form certified by the Department of Financial Services or signed by:
(a) A hurricane mitigation inspector certified by the My Safe Florida Home program;
(b) A building code inspector certified under s. 468.607;
(c) A general, building, or residential contractor licensed under s. 489.111;
(d) A professional engineer licensed under s. 471.015 who has passed the appropriate equivalency test of the building code training program as required by s. 553.841;
(e) A professional architect licensed under s. 481.213; or (f) Any other individual or entity recognized by the insurer as possessing the necessary qualifications to properly complete a uniform mitigation verification form.
2010: 627.711 Notice of premium discounts for hurricane loss mitigation; uniform mitigation verification inspection form.— 2)(a) The Financial Services Commission shall develop by rule a uniform mitigation verification inspection form that shall be used by all insurers when submitted by policyholders for the purpose of factoring discounts for wind insurance. In developing the form, the commission shall seek input from insurance, construction, and building code representatives. Further, the commission shall provide guidance as to the length of time the inspection results are valid. An insurer shall accept as valid a uniform mitigation verification form 1signed by the following authorized mitigation inspectors:
1. A home inspector licensed under s. 468.8314 who has completed at least 3 hours of hurricane mitigation training which includes hurricane mitigation techniques and compliance with the uniform mitigation verification form and completion of a proficiency exam. Thereafter, home inspectors licensed under s. 468.8314 must complete at least 2 hours of continuing education, as part of the existing licensure renewal requirements each year, related to mitigation inspection and the uniform mitigation form;
2. A building code inspector certified under s. 468.607;
3. A general, building, or residential contractor licensed under s. 489.111;
4. A professional engineer licensed under s. 471.015;
5. A professional architect licensed under s. 481.213; or
6. Any other individual or entity recognized by the insurer as possessing the necessary qualifications to properly complete a uniform mitigation verification form.
(b) An insurer may, but is not required to, accept a form from any other person possessing qualifications and experience acceptable to the insurer.
Isn’t strange that they list the actual statute of your licensure in the stature permitting you to complete the form…hmmmmmmmmmm
No, I stopped doing them because I have yet to inspect a structure new or existing that qualified for any credit. I had a client last week that was insistent that I perform one, the owner had one giving them full crdeit for single-wrap, shutter protections, and roofing system credit for NOA complaince. When I finished, they had nothing. And it was easy to show them why…I pointed them to one of the $75 guys.
Agree
I think we get the reason why you don’t them. You can’t follow directions. Keep up the good work!
…guess I’ve always been more a leader than a follower…keep up the good work…
He left out a few…or didn’t you catch that, genius.:roll:
I guess you haven’t read the 1802 lately. Go away…again.
Leader ? if that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy:roll:
Geeeeez
The OP asked if the connector qualified as a clip (referring to the wind mit form). As it turns out the connection was NOT a “Roof to Wall Attachment”, so the reference to clip did not apply. END OF STORY – Where do you get off telling people on this forum to report the attachment on the OIR 1802 as a structural deficiency? Have you no clue? That is ludicrous! Would you also recommend reporting some exposed faulty wiring that you saw in the attic on the wind mit?
http://www.floir.com/siteDocuments/OIR-B1-1802eff02012012.pdf
This is the OIR-B1-1802 form, it states specifically your must attach the pictures or documentation to verify compliance. If you can attach those, why can’t you attach other information directly attributed to the mitigation features, or lack of?
Mr. Meeker, I see you have yourself listed as a “wind mitigation specialist”. I’m not picking on you, but I would like your help in proving a point.
I’ll ask you a series of questions directly related to the OIR-B1-1802 form, please answer for me.
The first one is reallly easy, when were the first Miami/Dade Product Approvals issued?
Mr. genius…since your such the expert on mitigation.
In the state of Florida, in order to be compliant with the Florida Building Code for structural components, is a Miami/Dade Product Approval or a Florida Product Approval required?
I would, but…
As the administrative code is written you have control over how your inspection is performed and can agree to exclusions with the client as long as you do so prior to contracting for or commencing the inspection. This is detailed in FS 468.9321. Another tid-bit. if what you guys think is true that the standards and statues of your licensing do not apply to 1802’s and 4-points, you loose that ability and the forms are subject to clarification by the courts or Attorneys only. ei. you loose all control of exclusions and can be held accountable to anything they decide.
good luck with that…
A question for everyone, if a hurricane shutter manufacturer has a Florida Product Approval for large missile impact in compliance with SSTD-12 for steel panels, is it 1 or 2 on the opening protection detial of the 1802?
Just to show I’m not making stuff up, here is a link to a current FL Approval for this type of steel shutter system: http://www.floridabuilding.org/pr/pr_app_dtl.aspx?param=wGEVXQwtDqvVwe6oHVHaOus7kzX6hZl0LIxjn9Xbz%2bk%3d
Edited for some clues:
- this type of shutter system does not have or qualify for a Miami/Dade Product Approval
- the shutters are not PA/TAS 201/202/203 compliant
Robert — You are way out there. You are talking about the standards and statutes of our license on a thread that asked a simple question about a Truss/Joist connection. We add photo’s to the report because this is what the OIR 1802 ask for
“NOTE: Any documentation used in validating the compliance or existence of each construction or mitigation attribute must accompany this form. At least one photograph must accompany this form to validate each attribute marked in questions 3
though 7. The insurer may ask additional questions regarding the mitigated feature(s) verified on this form.”
Nowhere on the form does it ask us to add information that does not apply to the report. as this would just confuse everyone involved. The advice that you are giving regarding the joist anchor will do nothing but confuse newbies and those trying to learn from this thread.
It is quite simple. The non conforming joist hanger should not be added to the report because it serves no purpose on this form. The form ask for the inspector to document certain features that will equate to discounts on insurance premiums.
Some inspectors may feel that they have a moral or ethical responsibility to inform the homeowner of the joist hanger deficiency, but the wind mit form is not the way to inform him. We are there to document features related to the OIR 1802 Form… And this joist hanger is NOT A ROOF TO WALL ATTACHMENT. Therefore it should be omitted. I for one, am there to try and get the homeowner all the credits that they have coming. I would not want to jeopardize having an underwriter take a credit away because i was an idiot and added a photo of a NON roof to wall connection.