A prophet speaks...

Originally Posted By: Guest
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Heck Joe, I didn’t leave and I bet Jim didn’t either. The horse was dead when we started kickin it and now we know that it’s staying dead.


The thread’s intent wasn’t adversarial, it was contemplative. OK,OK,OK


the descent to irritable squabbling and personal attacks wasn’t contemplative, but that doesn’t mitigate the issue.


You’re (the dozen or so members that replied) all correct in asking “why would Jim care, or why would I care, we’re not even members”


I wondered where the money goes out of a sincere interest in the organization.


As I’ve said before, I think NACHI would probably benefit my new start business. So would sucking up to Realtors with the knowledge that I’d be beholden to write “a fair to the house” style of report. I like to know where my marketing dollars are spent, after all, they are my dollars to spend.


Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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If you are uncomfortable with what you see, then fine. The rest of us are apparently not as concerned as you are. We are members. You are not.

If I dont like the proprietor of a store, I wont buy there.

If I dont like the merchandise, I wont buy there.

If I think the place is a rip-off, I wont buy there.

So, if you dont like the org, dont join. If you find this message board beneficial, but you still are hesitant to join, fine. Just realize that we still allow you to interact, and respect that for what it is. If you still feel the need to question and pick, maybe the best thing for us all to do is ridicule you and/or ignore you.

Which would you prefer. You are a guest in our house. Start acting like one. If you pulled this crap at a stranger's house, you'd be bounced out on your a$$.

Okay, I'm done now...


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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

Originally Posted By: Guest
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Joe Farsetta,


I appreciate the excellent advice on proper etiquette. I'll heed it.
Just to make the air clear, my last post starting with "Heck Joe" should have been more carefully addressed to Joe Myers; actually it shouldn't have been written at all and I'm quite embarrassed that I felt it necessary to respond to the goading. Often, while hiding behind a key board social skills are forgotten.
Chad Fabry


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Chad,


I must admit, you and Jim M don't think like most people. Most people are interested in what NACHI will do for them, their marketing skills or what they will do to help make them a better inspector. It would seem to me that anyone with a sincere interest in any organization would be more interested in those questions, than they would in their fiscal records.

I am one of those soft inspectors that you hear about. After all, Nick is a realtor, my significant other is a realtor, the whole world is just full of realtors that I need to be successful.

Maybe what you have stated would be more believable, if you and Jim M, did not go over to the other inspection board and place those smug comments. People that typically are interested in joining ask what are you offering and how much is it going to cost me. What their fearless leader spends all those millions on usually comes after you have become a member.

If Jim M was so interested in membership to our organization, why then did he decline the free membership that Nick offered him?

Chad, 2 + 2 just is not adding up to 4. Maybe you can help the rest of us understand!

Joe Myers


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Joe Myers,


I'm not sure I can explain myself to you.
Before I become affiliated with anyone or anything there has to be a "fit". The "fit" has to encompass a belief system, morals, ethics and goals. I've compromised at times in my life and settled for three out of four. I've never settled for two out of four.
I was trying to find three out of four things that fit me about NACHI. That's it. That's my motive.

If Realtors are your lifeblood that's fine but that doesn't fit me. I'm not better or worse than you; I just have a different approach.

And Joe, I've never posted "smug" things about NACHI at the other board that I haven't also posted here. I could be wrong but I think it was once and it concerned an individual, not NACHI.

I have no issues w/ the NACHI membership. I really was looking for the second and third item out of four so that I could be a part of it. The one item that does fit me so far is "goal". That's not enough.

The other issue is I wasn't looking to join NACHI just for the benefits, like I said before it's not all about me. It's about being a part of something larger that I can contribute to. That's just as important as what I get.


Originally Posted By: jremas
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OK, I am in one of my moods and the target of the day will be… (the mystery man from the Rochester, NY area)!! Congratulations. I have taken some abuse from others and for you I have the following.


It must be nice to live in a state that has NO current requirements to be a home inspector. Wow, all you need is a business card and a cheap website. Let's see, what do you have to do to be a home inspector in NY? HMmmmmm. Oh yeahh! Nothing!

If I have no experience, did my first inspection this week, belong to a HI organization that costs $50. to join and I has no educational requirements, took no national exams, no formal training, I have no E&O insurance because it is not required THEN, I too can call myself a HI in NYState! Now I can go onto the messageboards of organizations that I don't belong to because they have requirements and voice my inexperienced opinion on why I won't join them.

BTW, nice testimonials on your webpage. None of them refer directly to you, just to the importance of a HI. I guess NAHI did not put you on their website yet, but you must belong because one of the "testimonials" was about the integrity of a NAHI inspector.

Why don't you move to PA, NJ, AZ, MS or any other state that has requirements. You would not be in business yet.

OK, fire away, I can dish it out as much as I can take it and visa-versa.

Feel good about yourself now?


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Jeff Remas
REMAS Inspections, Inc.
Northeastern PA & the Poconos
www.NEPAinspector.com

570-362-1598

Originally Posted By: dvalley
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David Valley


MAB Member


Massachusetts Certified Home Inspections
http://www.masscertified.com

"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go."

Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Jeff,


Licensing requirements do not guarantee you are a good inspector. Many horrible inspectors were simply grandfathered into a licensed environment. Inversly, many a good inspector was legislated out of busines, due to the notion that they lacked the formal training, number of requesite inspections, or did not work as "fee-paid home inspectors".

So, dont pick on the states or inspectors where licensing is not enacted.

That notwithstanding, the real issue (once again) is non-member insults or "leading" questions on OUR message board.

But, since none of the freedom fighters of this org see the need to put some safeguards in place, I guess we'll just have to use that old saying "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never harm me."

Chad,

As to your new venture, maybe if you had been more forthcoming, friendly, appreciative, etc., the many knowledgable members of this organization (like Jeff Remas), would be embracing your newness into the field, and lending his knowledge and expertise, instead of insulting you.

We have many new inspectors in this org. Chad, I must say, you are the first to be slapped for your lack of experience. That says a lot, coming from the ONLY home inspection org that truly values the new inspector, and tries its best to help folks in your position.

Bravo... you've done something no one else has managed to do... ![icon_rolleyes.gif](upload://iqxt7ABYC2TEBomNkCmZARIrQr6.gif)


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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

Originally Posted By: Guest
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Jeff,


There are no requirements in NY. I did join IHINA. I did take and pass the NHIE, I do have E&O. I have never been employed by anyone except myself my entire adult life and I have plenty of hands on experience and unabashedly would compare my skills and knowledge with any generalist on this board.

As to my website and it's content, I already acknowledged it's a piece of crap conceived and implemented in less than 72 hours. Like I said before, I'm nearly ashamed that I wrote someone a check to create it. A new one is in the works, hopefully it'll be much nicer.

As for being a mystery man, I've posted my address, occupation and business names and I've been very forthright about who I am, what I stand for and what my motives are. If nothing else some thought provoking conversation and clever insults have been the result of my interactions on this board. Even through the venom I have to appreciate the wit that's gone into this.

I'm neither honored nor embarrassed to have been the first new guy to be bashed. Maybe I'm the first new guy to have an unpopular point of view that's been willing to subject himself to public distaste. I take some solace in the fact that I won't be a new guy forever and in three short years I'll be as experienced as about 75 % of the people that belong to NACHI.

I'm sorry I expressed my point of view and asked leading questions on YOUR board. Would it have been more popular if I were a member?

The one regret that I do have about this experience is in the alienation of Jeff Remas whom I've found to be always professional and knowledgeable.

So, here's my offer... I'll let the thread die.


Originally Posted By: jremas
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Passed the NHIE? Great for you & I mean that. BRAVO. Make sure you are familiar with the changes that are proposed for NY State so you can find yourself where you need to be if this is your chosen career path.


Join NACHI and do some ride alongs with seasoned, experienced inspectors in your area. There is a TON more to this profession than being able to inspect a home. You can be a fantastic know it all inspector but never survive if your personality sucks. The better you are and the more thorough inspector you are, the less referrals from RE Agents. What a great thing Huh?

Don't ride the fence. There are plenty of guys here, at TIJ and IN(nazi)NEWS that can help you even more if you join NACHI, ASHI or NAHI just to name a few. It is better to align yourself with an association or society that will help you leap into the good side of the new legislation.

Take care & I think my little tirade made its point.

Sounds like you have a head on your shoulders.

PS, notice I never once used anyone's name in either post. What made you think it was you?


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Jeff Remas
REMAS Inspections, Inc.
Northeastern PA & the Poconos
www.NEPAinspector.com

570-362-1598

Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Chad,


Proposed NY legislation will put you right out of business. Interested in the movement?


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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

Originally Posted By: jremas
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Joe F., no disrespect to NY or the lack of a law. I was using that information to make a point. It may have worked. I am slowly learning to be more civil and bipartisan now that I joined ASHI.






Jeff Remas
REMAS Inspections, Inc.
Northeastern PA & the Poconos
www.NEPAinspector.com

570-362-1598

Originally Posted By: jmyers
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Jeff,


Wow, was that Jeff R that posted that response! Jeff, ASHI is ruining you already! ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)

Chad,

That was just a little defensive now, wasn't it?

Maybe it is me. I am still not understanding what NACHI's financial statement has to do you trying to "fit" in at NACHI. Are you saying that in order for you to fit in at NACHI, we have to be a financially sound association? Isn't that like saying that you can only love women that are millionaires? Very shallow perspective if you ask me.

Joe Myers


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Chad loves Paris Hilton? icon_surprised.gif What are you saying? How did millionaire blondes get in to this conversation.


Chad, watch out for her. Keep her away from cameras. Even your inspection camera. Dont take Paris on ANY inspections. No crawlspaces, attics, basements, or dungeons.

And, absolutely no talk of loving only millionaire women again. Joe, how COULD you spread such rumors? I'm so ashamed...

Paris Hilton and home inspections.... indeed!

I think I've completely LOST IT!!!


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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

Originally Posted By: jremas
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Mr. Myers, you say that ASHI is ruining me already!! How dare thee say such things to me? Tis not true! I am just becoming wiser in my aging process. We must all learn to be more diplomatic and less tunnel-visioned. Open the lines of communication and put aside differences of opinion to crusade for a common cause and everyone will see just how similar we all are. Improve our image and protect our ASSetts.


I must go now, isomnia has taken its ugly toll again. I will rest now so I am not late for my appointment in the morning. I have a wonderful home and septic system awaiting my arrival....... TA TA


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Jeff Remas
REMAS Inspections, Inc.
Northeastern PA & the Poconos
www.NEPAinspector.com

570-362-1598

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Joe Myers,


You just don't get it and every time time I try to explain it to you I piss off reasonable folk. I'm sorry Joe but I'm done bickering.


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Carefull Jeff, ASHI might think that you are a NACHI spy intent on getting their info. icon_lol.gif



This Ole House-Home Inspections


William A. Campbell TREC # 6372


Serving the Texas Coastal Bend


(361) 727-0602 (home)


(361) 727-0055 (office)


(361) 229-4103 (cell)

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Wow… how much fun can a guy have at 0215. By himself no less.


Entertaining thread.

Joe F., I was starting to agree with you in the members only section about restricting access to the board, but after following this thread, I think I may disagree..... a bit.

The public is seeing democracy in action and if they flip over to the ASHI site they won't get a dime's worth of entertainment or information in comparison to our Grand Board. If I had to pick an HI, I think I might choose one of those passionate Nick-ites, just because they're so .... well, passionate and smart.

Chad, thanx for the insight as an "outsider". Stay tuned to NACHI though, I hope you'll be a proud member someday.

Jim, you raised some of the issues that nag me as well, but I gotta tell you that it all boils down to perceived value for me. My pittance of a membership fee has been well worth it.

Jim, I wish you hadn't mentioned that your only foundation of credibility was 17 years as a HI and it was the only paying job in your whole life. How sad!

As a man of deep experience in many fields, including 7 years as a stock broker (the good ol' days), 3 years as the founder and CEO of an unrelated trade association, and almost 17 years as a builder and general contractor, (made the top 20 by revenue in my state)..... I gotta tell you and your ASHI buddies that I was deeply offended by the ASHI membership requirements. Indentured servitude to one of the ASHI good ol' boys, as a candidate, is not my idea of effective training. It IS obviously a ploy to control the industry.

Now for my moment at the "Prophet's Podium". I foresee a day in the not too distant future when the lobbying efforts by ASHI, pursued in the interests of controlling the industry, come back to bite the #ss of the ASHI membership.

Our state is already trying to distance itself from the successful lobbying influence of ASHI, and the State Attorney is working very hard to erase all of the self serving ASHI language found in our recent legislation. That, coupled with several recent high profile screw-ups and pending lawsuits against ASHI's top dawgs in OK., are already hurting the ASHI members here.

Further, I predict that Nick's efforts to develop a proctored exam to rival the current standard will be met with open arms and prove to be yet another successful venture.


Regards,
Ron


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Don't tell me it can't be done...., Just Do It!

Originally Posted By: jmyers
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Chad,


I have this feeling that every time you open you mouth, you are pissing someone off, although not necessarily because you are trying to explain something to me.

I did not realize that you considering speaking with me "bickering". I will keep that in mind for future reference.

Ron H.

Good post. ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)

Joe Myers