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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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Mike,


Let's go back to Definitions 101.

"Outlet. A point on the wiring system at which current is taken to supply utilization equipment."

I'll break this down so you can read it easier.

Outlet. A point on the wiring system at which current is taken ...

(Jerry's comment: where "current is taken", no current is taken with a switch, current is only "interrupted", not "taken".)

... to supply ...

(Jerry's comment: where current is taken "to supply", as the switch does not "take" current, it cannot "take" current to supply anything.)

... utilization equipment.

"Utilization Equipment. Equipment that utilizes electric energy for electronic, electromechanical, chemical, heating, lighting, or similar purposes."

Switched DO NOT utilize electric energy for anything. A switch simply "interrupts" that electric energy. Lights, receptacles with things plugged in, smoke detectors, etc. all "utilize electric energy".

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Jerry Peck
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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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You all are correct.


Answer this. Is a switch 'part' of a branch circuit?

Is an outlet 'part' of a branch circuit?


Mike P.

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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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Bob


If I have a feed in and a feed out at a 'box' and a switch that feeds a light, where is the "point" on the system?

Since you guys say it is not the switch, it must be in the box.

Mike P.

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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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So by your definition everything from the generator to the lamp on your table are outlets?

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Bob Badger


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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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Bob


NO,NO,NO.

I 'think' that you know what an outlet is. 

For those who do not please read: http://www.mikeholt.com/cgi-bin/codeforum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=003101

Mike P.

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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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Mike Parks wrote:

I 'think' that you know what an outlet is. 

Mike,

WE KNOW what an outlet is, we are just having a difficult time trying to teach YOU what an "outlet" is.

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Jerry Peck
South Florida

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Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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More on AFCIs


http://www.nfpa.org/PDF/NFPA.pdf?src=nfpa

QUESTION: What type of electrical equipment can be found in a branch circuit rated at 15 or 20 amperes operating at 125 volts.

Quote:

Branch Circuit. The circuit conductors between the final overcurrent device protecting the circuit and the outlet(s).


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Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant

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Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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jtedesco wrote:

More on AFCIs http://www.nfpa.org/PDF/NFPA.pdf?src=nfpa QUESTION: What type of electrical equipment can be found in a branch circuit rated at 15 or 20 amperes operating at 125 volts. Quote: Branch Circuit. The circuit conductors between the final overcurrent device protecting the circuit and the outlet(s). 

"Devices"

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Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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Greg Fretwell wrote:

jtedesco wrote: More on AFCIs http://www.nfpa.org/PDF/NFPA.pdf?src=nfpa QUESTION: What type of electrical equipment can be found in a branch circuit rated at 15 or 20 amperes operating at 125 volts. Quote: Branch Circuit. The circuit conductors between the final overcurrent device protecting the circuit and the outlet(s).  "Devices"

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Equipment. A general term including material, fittings, devices, appliances, luminaires (fixtures), apparatus, and the like used as a part of, or in connection with, an electrical installation.

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Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Jerry,


Mike P has his blinders on. Maybe he should have been a lawyer. He likes to argue his side, to the very end. 

No sense beating this dead horse. I guess we need to go to Mike Holt's forum to make up our minds for us. Dont get me wrong. Mike's is a great forum. But in this forum we discuss as Home Inspectors.

We have had Code Certified individuals discuss this point on this thread, along with electricians, building inspectors, and some very knowledgable HIs. The only one swimming upstream is Mike P.

Nothing wrong with that. It's just that you'll never win the argument with him, so why bother...

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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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Nothing wrong with that. It’s just that you’ll never win the argument with him, so why bother…


I guess HI's are more knowledgable than professionals.

Mike P.

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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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Mike Parks wrote:

Nothing wrong with that. It's just that you'll never win the argument with him, so why bother... I guess HI's are more knowledgable than professionals. Mike P.

In this particular case, not only the HIs, but other professionals are trying to get you to understand this, to no avail.

Salmon swim upstream, then they die. 

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