B Dry installed their interior system here...

Band-aid on the real problem. At least you made some money on it.

So what do you consider the “real” problem?

I have installed this same system on my home that I built in 1979 at the time of construction.

It works well and keeps the water from entering the structure materials above the basement slab.

It is also the same system we installed as described by Paul in a small church basement that had constant water infiltration problems.

15 years later and dry as a bone.

I make no money on the water proofing work, I am the 203K consultant. I just do the work write up.

As Mike said it does what its designed to do but it isn’t waterproofing. I call it water mitigation.

The real problem is the failure of the waterproofing. I certainly wouldn’t use it on new construction. Have you seen rebar inside the concrete wall that rusted from moisture intrusion? “Mitigating” the moisture on the interior of the wall does nothing to protect the wall itself from moisture. If you want to do it that way, and you think it’s a perfectly acceptable process, that’s fine with me. I’m not going to try to change your mind, and I’m not going to argue with you. I wouldn’t do it.

I would point out that the frost goes deep around here, it gets below -30F and the the frost heave is an issue.

Acceptable practice is not universal.

My basement waterproofing experience comes from Park City, Utah. It gets cold there too.

All the posts, photos and still… some apparently don’t get it or want to, whatever… sheeshus! loool

Just because someone installed an interior system on a new home/just built and 30 years went by and no leaky basement does NOT mean it/the system is responsible for no leaks, nope! lool

How about, no cracks have occurred, no leaky rod holes etc hence, no leaks.

Part of my g dang point on interior systems is, the COMPANIES who only or most often install them, do NOT give 1 shtt about why-where the stupid basement leaks, they don’t identify/determine the friggin problem(s), hence do not fix those problems.

All they care about is selling, bs’ing, homeowners into the one thing they do and most often, they try and sell an entire perimeter system when many homeowners only leak in 1 or 2 areas, they fkg incompetent cons is what they are, hello!

The 203k leaky basement… WHAT is the problem(s), why/where is the water actually entering? Did ANYONE bother to honestly define the fkg problem(s)?

And NO interior system relieves, reduces exterior pressure, frost heave,lateral soil pressure etc against basement walls… where did we get that?

Live in Michigan, gets cold here too… frost heave, lateral soil pressure etc, B Dry installed an interior system HERE/photo… NO interior system and sump pump redcues/relieves exterior weight/pressure off walls
BOWED basement wall, multiple exterior cracks… like many others it got WORSE after DIPSHTT installed their interior system
http://picasaweb.google.com/101049034584960315932/FoundationCracks#5443377053793739538

Say again, these interior system shtheads do not bother-to, or care to identify homeowners actual problems, all they do is try and bllshtt homeowners into the one thing they do, CRIMINAL ccksukkers is what they are, got that?

Mark should not assume that the interior french drain was the only control method used at the time of construction.

In the case of the church basement it was and was installed after years of water problems that were caused by water coming from underground and not from rain.

You can all sort it out for yourselves. :roll:

All that don’t know diddly sh it about Foundation Waterproofing. And that includes many HI’s in the past few years.

Water coming from underground… just asking, what was occurring, what was seen inside, was water coming up through a floor crack etc etc?

Yeah sht sure, there are some HO’s, churches etc that may get water accumulating under their basement floor and then it could come up through 1+ floor cracks but THAT, doesn’t necessarily mean there’s a spring under the house.

Sometimes water accumulating under a floor can be from a leaky, dripping water line, sprinkler lines etc or a blockage in the lateral line and so on, sooooo, when those problems are correctly identified then one snakes or replaces the lateral line or fixes/repairs the leaky water line or sprinkler hoses etc, NOT install an interior system, that’s all I’m saying… FIND the actual problem(s), then fix it.

Assume? :mrgreen:
And some, the same, will bypass this or read a paragraph or two and say, there goes Bubba again, same old post, too long or, they already know everything on this subject etc, loool

Home inspectors, realtors, city inspectors etc should not assume there are no exterior cracks, cracked parging etc when they see no crack on the inside of a block wall (and some do it ALL the time and recommend an interior system or tell homeowner to regrade, sheesh), as in this photo

Should you not know/understand the following to help your CLIENTS? Huh?
Inside wall, corner
http://picasaweb.google.com/101049034584960315932/BasementWaterproofing89#6068342941000468322
…and many basements are finished so one can’t even see the dumb wall, they’ll just see water on floor, against bottom of wall

That photo, anyone see a vertical corner crack?

Ok, now the same corner…on the outside, what exists? Umm, how about an existing defect which IS why the basement leaks at-near this corner
http://picasaweb.google.com/101049034584960315932/BasementWaterproofing89#6068332150701519042

Same house, what else is open on the outside, oh lookie… another existing defect where water enters that quite a few HI’s do not even bother to bring up the possibility, the likelihood, these defects/cracks exist, the likelihood of why the dumb basement leaks
http://picasaweb.google.com/101049034584960315932/BasementWaterproofing89#6068330439200603922

Very short video, caption says… “fixing the basement leak”
Really? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkQ6WA3dS_g
J hammering the floor and putting in a sump, an inside system when yet again, the problem has not been identified… drywall up, can’t see the wall.
----What if this/other homeowners only had 1+ leaky rod holes or, water running from the top of the basement wall down, BEHIND the paneling? Did they really identify/determine WHERE the water is coming in? Huh?

They don’t need a stupid inside system or sump, they need to fix the 1+ rod hole or opening above grade, that’s it.
Just because one gets water on the floor, along bottom of basement wall/floor doesn’t mean a dang thing.

Have seen some basement leaks where water was/looked like it was coming UP through a floor crack but found someone poured 2" or 4" of concrete on top of the original floor… 1 or more cracks occurred in the newer-floor but the water was actually entering through the wall. As is often the case, the water came out in basement waaaay down low at–along the floor-wall joint but was first entering through an exterior crack, as in photos. It came out through bottom blocks and went between the 2 pours and then UP through floor crack, loool

Never said that ‘sometimes’, interior systems can’t be helpful in keeping water off some floors, never said that. It should be the last, final resort AFTER exhausting all possibilities as to why water may be accumulating UNDER the floor. This has NOTHING to do with water coming in through walls or above walls. And again, most of the inside companies do not bother-to or want to, or know how to, identify/determine why-where the water is actually entering or accumulating under basement floor, just sell the one thing they do, regardless.

Have NEVER installed one interior system in 36 years! No complaints after we did the exterior waterproofing OR, the homeowner had tuckpointing done or snaked their lateral line etc… hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
If I remember correctly, there were 3 to 5 times it MAY have been useful to those 3–5 homeowners (I could not identify their actual problem).
YET on the other hand, the inside system turds pretty much tell all homeowners they need an interior system and rarely if ever, waterproof the existing crack on the outside of a basement wall OR, recommend the homeowner snake their lateral line or, the water is entering through/around a basement window or open mortar joints and they need to fix THAT.

Brought up this former HI before, now a waterproofing consultant. Sure seems like a good guy, have talked to him a few times. BUTT, just being honest, he is NOT an expert on this-subject…nice guy, no expert. Yeah, he may read this at some point and come on here and disagree, fine!


His book, I have it, he sent it to Bubb’s.
So just because someone claims to be an expert, has a book etc doesn’t mean they actually are. Don’t get my dumb az wrong, he is right on some things such as… he never recommends an INTERIOR SYSTEM, he has seen why. But one of the biggest things we disagree on is, loool, I say… find the problem(s) and then fix/waterproof/tuckpoint etc the problem… he says, play water diverting games outside.

http://picasaweb.google.com/101049034584960315932/BasementWaterproofing87
Look, mold, efflorescence on inside blocks… it leaks in these areas, water comes in basement at–along the wall-floor joint so, one point is, he would tell homeowners to raise and slope the grade and-or, extend downspout extensions or, pour concrete etc etc INSTEAD of… fixing/waterproofing the actual defects/exterior cracks!

The DIFFERENCE---------- if someone paid the consultant then they would not have had the cracks etc waterproofed and would have played water diverting games outside, then hope and pray no water gets in through the, existing exterior defects/cracks
If someone paid an honest exp’d waterproofer to fix their actual problems, as in photos, they would not leak again, period, because the problems have been found and fixed!!!
No hoping and praying eh.

WHO is Bubba trying to educate??? looool
Appears to be many, they need it. They THINK they understand this subject but come on man, shtt, they do not and they are leading homeowners down the wrong road!
Jesus, some of these so-called fixes, pouring concrete on top of concrete or regarding etc cost MORE than fixing/waterproofing the actual-real dang problem!
Some are going to PAY a waterproofing consultant and then PAY a concrete guy or landscaper x-amount to dkkk around w/the grade, really?

The DIFFERENCE, dun Wallflowers… got milk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qSAMtomFvk

‘Every PT home inspector is an ASHI or NACHI home inspector… we keep your family safe, this is no time for beginners’
http://www.protec-inspections.com/about.php

PT contractor referrals… waterproofing, all interior system co’s ](,)](,)](*,)
http://www.protec-inspections.com/referrals.php
B Dry
JES
Mid Atlantic

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All 3 do not repair/waterproof, stop water from entering anything like this
http://picasaweb.google.com/101049034584960315932/Crawlspace#5540665133328086770

Do they fix anything like this? Nope.
http://picasaweb.google.com/101049034584960315932/BasementWaterproofing10#5442193326948161458

And how many customer complaints (BBB supposed blchtt) just within the last 3 years? Duh, quite a few… 2 of the locations (there’s more) total 55.

Couple of complaints go like DIS… (the usual)
paid $11,000+… failure to provide promised written warranty, recently discovered areas of mold on some areas of my basement wall… called Mid Atl, tech came out said, in order to correct problems (mold, water), I had to cut areas on basement walls and sign an agreement to be responsible for damages etc… goes on and on.

Safe huh?

Example, Salesman scammed us into purchasing a $21,000 drain tile system, and so on

Example, Guarantee or warranty issues, the company failed to return repeated phone calls, the company installed a waterproofing system in our basement and we have continued seepage.

And the BBB, as usual for PAID BBB members/interior system companies, the BBB claims the company ‘addressed’ the complaint issues… looooooooool!!!
The homeowner/consumer failed to acknowledge BBB acceptance, duh in other words, screw you BBB and your paid rip off member… got that?

Hmmm, ASHI or Nachi members? Keep your family safe etc huh? No time for beginners eh? #-o#-o#-o
Something smells pretty bad and its not Uncle Bubba releasing gas, got dat?

10 greatest farts in Tv history http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ti9NgDqYxo

How about a town meeting fart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJQoxdSFTJ0 ‘that’s a first’

Tv anchor, ‘Shaving off my muff fer you’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHxDr0xdpU4

Hailing a cab in a bikini http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3i1t6nSDvI got milk?

:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen: no comments huh :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

I catch occasional crrrap from a handful of nachi members for some posts or wording etc of posts (who knows, maybe more behind my back…huh loool) YET, looooooooooool apparently its fine 'n dandy for some nachi members to refer/recommend 3 interior system companies to unknowing homeowners and nobody cares/comments etc huh…yep, pretty much what Bubb’s figured.

Yooooo, nachi can oust me anytime, any day they like… I’m not changing a thing and the smart ones should have known that, got milk?

In case some dodo’s here hadn’t friggin noticed, I (and some other good decent nachi members) have actually HELPED quite a few homeowners who’ve had freakin problems on this subject, quite a bit of time has been spent on trying to help homeowners and inform/educate some others who quite frankly, NEEDIT!!!@@#@@!!! looooooooool buh bye

bye Mark.

Stop back around some time.

We like your stories. :slight_smile:

Hey Mike, who do i contact to ‘off’ me as a nachi member?
I emailed Chris M asking him to 86 my az. Do you know who in particular can do this… ty sir.

Why would you want to leave?

Not totally leaving, just want to 86 the membership. I will never abide by any org’s rules etc, not Bubba :mrgreen:

zvire-nadrzena scenka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SYpXfC1UVg she might um, forget it… got milk? #-o

What a sad sad day for NACHI to loose a gentleman who has constantly tried to help the public and show all that many who try to water proof a home are far from perfect .
I have talked frequently to Mark .
What a wonderful guy.

All the best Mark sure hate to see you leave…Roy

Aw, now I can only tell people “I once knew of a John Bubber.”
Instead of “If you wanna be water tight you gotta do it right.”

5 Steps to a Dry Basement or Crawl Space: An Alternative to Aftermarket Waterproofing for Wet Basements is on my nightstand, right next to my septic inspections book.

Thanks for all your help Mr Roy :wink:

loool Paul

…puzzycat puzzycat Uncle Bubba loves you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgCaDYbEsY