Fl NACHI - What have you done for me lately?

All good thoughts Kenneth. I can only share with you what the previous board of FLNACHI had in mind and what our biggest obstacles were.

  1. The board would be comprised of two representatives from each chapter. We reached out to all of the existing chapters at that time and asked them to join. We had a South Florida, Riverview, Central Florida and Jacksonville chapter. We asked the panhandle chapter to join our efforts but they declined. Maybe they had insight into what our future was.

  2. We wanted to create a proctored exam that would serve two purposes. The first was to help members that had only taken the online test. Each chapter would schedule a testing date and the chapter would provide volunteers to work the event. The board agreed that we would have a volunteer board member at each site. The second benefit was funding. The fee for the test would go into the general fund and be used for expenses related to the chapter. The expenses for the test would be paid from the general fund.

  3. Create a SOP that was focused on the issues that Florida inspectors would encounter.

  4. Hold quarterly educational events (like FABI has) where members could gather for education and to discuss and vote on any other projects that the membership felt would benefit the association and its members. Several educators offered to teach and attend the events at their own expense for the first year (this offer was made to help the association build up its general funds). Each member would be required to attend one event a year.

  5. The last benefit we wanted was to have an association that was operated by the directions given from a majority of the members. It was our intent to have regular elections for board members and that any project would be approved by a majority of the membership or we wouldn’t do it.

The biggest obstacle we had with forming a state association or chapter was funding.

I thought that we had a good set of goals to lay the foundation for FLNACHI.

Everything was going great until we reviewed the charter from NACHI. The charter had a rule that stated that NACHI could take control of the association and seize all of its assets with 30 days written notice. It wasn’t a week after making our goals known that I received a call from the enforcer (Joe Farsetta) telling me that he could take the chapter away anytime I did something that he or Nick didn’t like. They didn’t like the goals that we had. After this call the board had many discussions about how to proceed. We took a vote and all but one board member decided that we could not proceed with the chapter based on the charter we had. That is why the second attempt failed.

Isnt Dictatorship a great thing?

Since my name was mentioned, I will chime in, and will state to anyone operating any chapter, charter, or organization anywhere that includes the letters NACHI…

Once you are a member of this organization, you are a member of this organization. That means that any chapter that exists which carries the word NACHI automatically meets the qualifications of that particular chapter. No further testing or qualifications are required. No additional SOP applies. No differing COE.

And, yes, the NATIONAL may revoke a chapters right (whether chartered or not) to use the word NACHI.

I dont particularly care what is going on in Florida, just so everyone knows that the COE requires that member inspectors follow the InterNACHI COE. If this requires one to be licensed in order to inspect, you can have membership revoked if you break the law.

If you meet the qualifications for licensing, the local chapter cannot require an additional test for membership. If you meet the qualifications for membership in NACHI, then you AUTOMATICALLY meet the requirements for membership in FL NACHI. All it means is that you cannot legally inspect until you meet the STATE’s requirements for PERFORMING an inspection.

Greg, you havent called me the Enforcer in quite a while, but your recollection of our conversation is accurate.

My message today is consistent with that original message.

While the chapter organizers and administration are free to run the chapter as they see fit, they must also remember that InterNACHI and NACHI are copyrighted entities, owned by the NATIONAL. As such the NATIONAL sets the tone and rules its use.

Ther is but one set of standards for inclusion in this org. There is but one COE. There is but one SOP.

While our COE allows a person to substantially comply with our SOP, it also requires one performing inspections to comply with their State’s requirements. If there is more than one way to achieve licensure in FLorida, all an inspector needs to do to be a member inspector in FL NACHI is meet those requirements. IF they are a member of NACHI, and do not inspect in Florida, the generic membership requirements apply.

ANyone who would like to discuss this with me can reach me at 303-591-9919.

DITTO, DITTO,. DITTO, well put Joe!!
AMEN. So let’s get ready to rumble and accept that all members of InterNACHI operating in the state of FLORIDA are by default members of FLInterNACHI.

Joe,

Your COE is a joke because you do not enforce it.

You require:
Duty to Continue Education

  1. The InterNACHI member shall comply with InterNACHI’s current Continuing Education requirements.
  2. The InterNACHI member shall pass the InterNACHI’s Online Inspector Exam once every calendar year.

And then:
Within the first 10 days after becoming a certified member…

Within the first 30 days after becoming a certified member…

Within the first 45 days after becoming a certified member…

  • You must complete InterNACHI’s online Plumbing course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
  • You must complete InterNACHI’s online Electrical course (free), including all quizzes within, and pass its final exam.
  • You must complete InterNACHI’s online Roofing course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.

Within the first 60 days after becoming a certified member…

  • You must complete InterNACHI’s online HVAC course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
  • You must complete InterNACHI’s online Structural course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
  • You must complete InterNACHI’s online Exterior Inspection course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.

Within the first 90 days after becoming a certified member…

Then, within the first year after becoming a certified member…

Within the first two years after becoming a certified member…

Within the first three years after becoming a certified member…

How many people can you actually verify that have completed all of this.

Heck, I am willing to bet you that most members dont even have their ID cards.

So then what is being said is that we do it your way or the Highway?..Interesting. Love brotherly love and how we can work together. Does that mean RussNachi cannot collect its dues?.DAMNIT! I had 14 people under me. I was gonna be the AMWAY of Home inspection organizations!

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM…I think I hear double talk…

A very obscure technical reason Russell. I really didn’t publicize the main purpose of Florida InterNACHI enough (my bad), so your question is very valid and you are very correct in inquiring. Here is the answer:

Because the DBPR rules for grandfathering REQUIRE that one belong to a national or state association that uses a proctored exam. If you could get into Florida InterNACHI without taking the exam, Florida InterNACHI would cease to be qualified for grandfathering of its members.

This is what Nick said…so I guess one can have different rules

Dont you also find it interesting that Nick and Joe let everyone get all worked up - look at the posts on this thread - before they chime in with any comment? You know that they are reading it.

Hey Bill,

I dont know about you, but I do not waste my time reading and responding to messages on this board. When I see it, if it involves me, I chime in. Those who want my intervention either call me or e-mail me.

I am not stating that if one belongs to InterNACHI, they automatically belong to FL NACHI.

I am saying that FL NACHI may not have additional requirements for membership. Dues are allowed. Double standards are not. FL NACHI is not a national home inspection organization. It is a chapter of one which does not require a proctored exam for membership. NACHI recognizes that some states require a proctored exam to get an inspection license. That requirement is not a membership requirement for this org. Our org only requires you pass its exam for membership. If there is an ADDITIONAL requirement placed by the state in order for one to get a license, then the COE states that you must follow state law. IF that law requires one to pass the NHIE to inspect, then NACHI’s COE includes the NHIE by reference.

There is no double talk here.

It is black and white.

As to the enforceability of those rules that were mentioned as a condition of membership, ESOP does not enforce them unless and until there is a specific complaint. It has to be that way as we are not privy to these databases en masse; only on an as needed basis.

There is nothing in the regulations that prohibits those who hafve not passed the proctored exam from being a member of the chapter. The law prohibits unlicensed inspections. The law does not prohibit membership.

The chapter is not meant to exclude those who did not use it to achieve licensing via its proctored exam.

Clear enoough?

There needs to be consistencies. Imagine a NACHI chapter that required members carry E&O, and a founding member of the chapter happened to sell E&O. Or imagine a NACHI chapter requiring members that only drove Jeeps, or had to be owners of cocker spaniels, or had to be christians, or whatever.

Can’t wait for the meeting next week!

Joe

As to the enforceability of those rules that were mentioned as a condition of membership, ESOP does not enforce them unless and until there is a specific complaint. It has to be that way as we are not privy to these databases en masse; only on an as needed basis.


This is double talk. Your COE specifically states that all members must abide by the rules. Yet you have no way to check them or hold members responsible for living up to them. All you do is require an affidavit that the inspector signs saying he will abide by the rules. I have read on this board, and it goes back a year or two, that INACHI does nothing to discipline its members if there is a complaint. Maybe you can clarifiy this.

As far as I can see, this is nothing more than a money making machine with no ethical practices. You say one thing and do another.

That being said, I will also say that Nick is a master marketor. He has created a large organization that does have some good benefits.

Was that ID card thingy around when I joined? I don’t have one.

Brian,

If you joined in the last three years, I believe it has been around at least that long.

You made me have to go look for mine. I got it in 2004. You better look out as the enforcer will be calling.:stuck_out_tongue:

If you paid…your good, its all they care about.

I probably got one and forgot about it. It hardly seems important now and probably didn’t then. Why it would be part of a coe is beyond me. This team rally spirit between the various inspector associations has as yet eluded me and for that I am grateful. Russ Hensel is right, the reason I belong to any of these organizations is for my benefit only. INachi offfers some great online resources which is why I joined. On another note the lobbyist is not promoting any agenda according to those I queried regarding his actions. He simply has his ear to the rails in Tallahassee to alert us in the event of actions which may be detrimental to inspectors interests so an effort may be put forth to prevent unforeseen eventualitys. Nice work if you can get it, I have no way to guage how effective this is but I guess it is better than doing nothing. Regardless of our numbers we will never be the 800 lb gorilla in the room the contractors and realtors are already.

Russell, it has nothing to do with me or InterNACHI.

YOUR state requested that InterNACHI hold an official Board of Directors meeting and pass a resolution (which they required on file) regarding proctoring our exam (an exam that BTW, our members already passed unproctored) in Florida.

We did what YOUR state told us to do and passed the resolution, a copy of which has been posted at the bottom of www.floridainternachi.org since that day.

InterNACHI has been awarded over 500 government approvals and accreditations and we don’t procure them by arguing with government agencies. My job was to get our members their licenses, and so I did what was necessary (including personally attending all four Department-hosted Stakeholder meetings).

Had YOUR state required InterNACHI to pass a resolution requiring me to wear one pink shoe and one purple boot before they’d issue any licenses… I’d have responded: “Certainly. Which of my feet (left or right) would you like the pink shoe on and which would you like the purple boot on?”

I’m happy to answer any other questions from any member. Number them if more than one.

Like water off a ducks back Nick!

I really don’t get you guys. Nick was there for all the disscusions on licensing trying to get as much of it to go our way as possible. If you followed the message board then you’d know that and you also could have put your oppinion foward then. I’ve worked with other trade organizations in this state for years and what Nick and NACHI did for us would have cost a great deal more than the 289.00 we pay for dues.
This tread started out with some good questions but it seems to have turned into nothing but whinning. We need to get back to answering the questions of how are we going to organize in an effective way? How are we going to make sure everyone has a say? Once we have a disission how are we going to present it to the state? And remember with as many inspectors as we are there **will **be times when some of us don’t agree with the group. What happens then do you take your ball and go home or do you stay involved and make sure your opinion at least gets heard? It will take time but if we do this together we can become the place law and rule makers come to for answers before the laws are written. This needs to be done the question is how.