Florida Home Inspector Council

Local Inspection Issues Florida and SUNachi Inspectors
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Here’s the deaol.

Anyone may charge to proctor an exam for another. Time is money, and fair is fair.

What is not permitted, however, is exclusion from any chapter with the word NACHI in it, by another InterNACHI member. Period. End of report.

Now, if you tell me that there is something so special in the Florida licensing act which permite this practice, then the decision should have been made to either permit this for a time or reject the notion.

What is so special in the Florida licensing rules that would have precluded ANYONE from being a member of FLNACHI?

Perhaps the requirement to join for those who are NOT otherwise qualified to be licensed inspectors in Florida. Greg and Joe B are prime examples of those who ABSOLUTELY qualify. If they choose to not follow the path to licensure offered by FLNACHI, then FINE, they can and should be allowed membership AUTOMATICALLY, with no additional charge.

It was always the policy of this organization to allow any member to belong to MULTIPLE chapters at NO COST. The only costs outside of the national membership has always been related to food, lodging, and out of posket expenses. These have been shared by the chapter members, with the National occasionally ponying up additional dollars as needed and justified.

It doesnt matter if a chapter is incorporated or not. It comes down to copyright and trademark rights, in conjunction with other benefits which come from the National.

Joe B… you are right. If I knew something sucked, I would have stopped it myself. Show me what happened. Send me e-mails on the subject. We may have not always agreed on things, but we did tend to get along. Send me the info.

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Joe,

The inception of FL NACHI came about because the law reads that to acquire a license via grandfatering, one must belong to a state or national association that requires a proctored exam for membership. Because taking a proctored exam is not a requirement of NACHI, we did not qualify.

Thus, FLNACHI can, and by law must, restrict membership to those who passed the proctored version of the NACHI exam, which the fee to take was $100. FLNACHI is not a chapter, it is a state organization according to DBPR.

That, in it’s entirety, was the sole purpose of FLNACHI, period.

They aren’t my cup of tea, and I didn’t use them to get a license, but many did.

Oh, they started with all of the blessings of the Nick.

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Simple, then. FL NACHI is nothing more than a state organization (presumably, with Nick’s permission) using the NACHI name. It is not a chapter of the International and any claim made by it to be representative of NACHI members of Florida is fraudulent.

In that sense, it can do what it wants.

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I believe that is what I just said…:wink:

As a stand alone state org., they can claim whatever they want, until and unless pull their charter as a spin off of NACHI. They do not speak for me and others, and I will do any of my communication with those who communicate well and often, like Greg.

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Blaine,

If they are a business entity, and are set up as a chapter, they must abide by the rules of the National. If they have a special purpose, which to date has been fulfilled, and proctored exams are no longer required… then why cant any current NACHI member be a member of FLNACHI?

Between FLNACHI, NACHI MAnagement, and The other chapter which has insurance inspections in its title… how much self-dealing is going on.

Nick gave permission to Zoe Fackler to move this along. There may have been circumstannces which allowed it. Is it evergreen?

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Blaine has it right when he says:

We did this with the DBPR’s blessing as the state law required one to join a state or national association that required the passing of a proctored exam.

InterNACHI did not meet this state requirement, but Florida InterNACHI did.

We were ordered by the DBPR to deny membership in Florida InterNACHI to anyone who failed to meet Florida InterNACHI’s requirements. If we disobeyed that order, Florida InterNACHI would legally cease to meet the requirements of the Act and many of our members would not qualify for grandfathering. In fact, if we let even one unqualified inspector (and when I say “unqualified” I mean unqualified to join Florida InterNACHI, not unqualified to perform a good inspection) into Florida InterNACHI, the DBPR could have rescinded all the members’ licenses who got grandfathered through Florida InterNACHI.

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Maybe they’re not sure what they are.

Florida InterNACHI is a state association of certified home inspectors](http://www.floridainternachi.org/)

Chapter Members

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Huh? In order to participate in the dumbing down of the profession in Florida…you dumbed down the entire international association as it pertains to its Florida members?

InterNACHI now has two seperate membership criteria?

An affirmative action plan for the less than qualified inspectors living in Florida?

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What you posted may in fact be the case, but for all intents and purposes FLNACHI has always operated as a Chapter.

I hope everyone understands the reason why other NACHI Chapters were forced to organize due to FLNACHI excluding Florida NACHI members not just from joining, but also from being politically represented during the licensing period. There is simply no way to justify this action, hopefully no Florida laws were broken in the process.

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No,

Actually it was a good way for NACHI to ensure that it’s FL members had a path to licensing.

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I won’t argue the results, I was only stating the reasoning behind the inception. How it began, and what it became are two different animals.

I don’t believe that the FLNACHI purpose was ever to speak as one voice for all FL members.

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Florida INACHI took in $38300 in the past few months. Where did all the money go?

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Jim, Florida InterNACHI’s membership requirements include membership in InterNACHI… so Florida InterNACHI’s requirements exceed InterNACHIs.

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Okay.

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They were the only sanctioned NACHI organization in Florida which possessed the cash flow to adequately represent Florida NACHI members in any meaningful capacity. In essence the existence of FLNACHI stunted the growth of other worthwhile enterprises while it excluded NACHI members and provided little representation for Florida home inspectors in general. All in all it appears to have been a non-profit organization which provided benefits to a very limited group of select people.

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Anyone has been free to start their own chapter anytime they wanted.

Chapters who carry the name NACHI anywhere in their name are required to abide by the rules of the NATIONAL, whether they are a charter chapter, incorporated in their state, or not. Its all about the NAME, and requirements which follow it.

As always, others in Florida are free to start your their own Chapter. However, the self-dealing is over.

Before I am finished with this, the entiry known as NACHI Management will either be disbanded, be taken over, or be replaced with InterNACHI Management.

If the purpose of this entity is to provide a path for inspectors to be able to perform wind mit inspections or re-inspections, then so be it. However, InterNACHI will operate it via an admininstrator.

InterNACHI will cover its costs, and make excess available to help inspectors across Florida. The moneys collected and generated will go to InterNACHI, not into the pockets of a few.

Like I said… the self dealing is over.

Dont like a chapter, start another.

Members of FLNACHI are already members of NACHI, and therefore it is a legitimate chapter. A one-time and specific waiver as to membership requirements was permitted through the charter of the NATIONAL, as a means to comply with Florida State Law.

It was a brilliant plan by Nick, which benefitted inspectors throughout Florida. The fact that grandfathering has ended has no bearing on the viability of this chapter to survive in the long term. That is entirely up to the chapter members and chapter leadership. If it sucks, folks will leave.

Right now, at least on paper, they are the single largest chapter in Florida.

As to legislative agendas planned or otherwise by newly forming chapters of this organization, remember that those legislative agendas need to be representative of the policies of the organization, not of an individual.

The plan should be to benefit the industry.

Bottom line is that now that the smoke has cleared, there is really no reason for inspectors to join NACHI, ASHI, or NAHI. It all comes down to benefits. Those benefits come from the NATIONAL, and if there are those who think they can do it alone, absent of affilliation for their chapter, all I can say is to go ahead and try.

The best of luck for those who want to brave the tasks associated with running a chapter. But heed this warning: chapters are independent entities. They are free to operate independently of others and must follow the general guidelines. This isnt about power or control. This will not be about consolidation. Its about freedom and choice.

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Here is the post from 11-10-10 and Mr. Farsetta claims he knew nothing about this atrocity and yet he claimed it was against the rules and then claimed it was in keeping with the rules. He wants to call people out. LOOK IN THE MIRROR…You can’t make up your mind, on anything. He is the THREAD YOU COMMENTED on concerning this EXACT situation. So you wanted the “info” it was here and you commented on it.

Simply put does it matter what anyone thinks, say or does? Nick can approve, disapprove, side step, leap over whatever he wants. So what is the point? I argued this EXACT point months ago. But now that Zoe’s gravy train has come to an end, now others become an issue.

I said it 6 months ago and believe it stronger today. FL NACHI AND AAA SCHOOLS have torn our industry into shreds for personal gain. The only ones who gained were the opwner of AAA, ZOE and NICK all the seasoned veterans who actaully built this industry were slapped and walked over.

But I am telling you, and mark my words there will be about 20-25 guys who will be performing 75% of the inspections in Florida…Me and a few others are getting our thinking caps on and will find ways to perform better reports in a faster time and will pool their marketing efforts into a HUGE Florida marketing program. And Nick do you know the HATRED you have for NAHI…well now you know my love for FL NACHI…

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Well you guys heard him…Now that Zoe is done making her money it all over with…LMAO…

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And I say BS…Your turned your head when others were gaining profit personally now all of a sudden its a big deal? What are you going to do? Take it to court? Call the police? Talk to the lawyers and tell them something that has now nor ever belonged to you was given to someone freely and and generously and you feel it wrong so they should stop?

Its a PRIVATE company and the name was given BY ITS OWNER. Good luck Joe…please make more idle threats they are kind of humerous…

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I confess. A lot of times I have to hold my own nose to get our guys licenses, but that duty comes with the job.

Grandfathering is over… thank goodness.