NACHI's Gromicko becomes Exec. Dir. of another association.

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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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dfrend wrote:
A license might improve our image, agreed. But setting a level that would be impossible for new inspectors to reach because of lack of opportunities would shut them out and would be a disservice to the consumer. When the supply of licensed inspectors exceeds the demand, the consumer is hurt.


That's why that is covered.

Should you (maybe I should say 'do you NEED' to) know codes when doing a regular re-sale home inspection?

Well, of course, it is beneficial to you, but do you really NEED to know them? No, but you should have some understanding of them, after all, codes are what the house is (supposed to be) built to, so to know what is wrong, you need to understand what is right).

Now, another subject matter.

Should you (i.e., 'do you NEED' to) know codes when doing NEW construction home inspections? You better, if not, you are providing your client with less than an adequate inspection, after all, the house was (should have been) built to codes as a minimum, and getting that minimum (and more) is not possible if you do not know that minimum. Code is a minimum, and there is no reason to accept less - where codes are adopted (and in Florida there is now ONE code and it is in effect statewide), the code is the legally enforceable MINIMUM builders are allowed to get away with. So, to do your client justice, you need to know codes.

Why force a new inspector to learn codes for resale inspections when they are not needed (I still think they are NEEDED, but I will give that to those who argue that codes are not needed on resales - who said I wasn't nice, huh?)?

So, we have two levels of certified inspectors. Like with contractors (there are really three levels of contractors). The residential contractor can only build one and two family residences three stories and less in height. There are reasons for that.

Thus, the new inspector would be able to do resale residential inspections without knowing anything about codes. A nice way to be able to break in easy.

The top level of contractor, the General Contractor, is allowed to build anything as high as desired (within zoning limits and engineering limits).

The top level of inspector would also be able to inspect anything, including new construction, because they have greater knowledge and experience.

Not all Residential Contractors even want to become General Contractors, they will never build more than they are, for their own reasons.

Just like not all home inspectors will want to, or feel the need to, learn codes and become the 'General Contractor' of inspectors. But they all CAN, IF THEY WANT TO.

--
Jerry Peck
South Florida
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Originally Posted By: bhendry
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It is somewhat unsettling to me that “the codes” are held up as some higher standard with regard to Home Inspectors.


It also seems self serving that contractors are folded into a Home Inspector discussion as a matter of fact.

Who would hold up knowledge of codes and more or less suggest the contractor licensing process has the right idea other than a contractor?

Can anyone post a study that correlates code knowledge and/or contractor licensing to to consumer benefit?

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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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bhendry wrote:
It is somewhat unsettling to me that "the codes" are held up as some higher standard with regard to Home Inspectors.


Only as it relates to NEW homes, which are (at least should be) built to code. The only way a home inspector knows if it is right or not is to know the codes it was built to.

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It also seems self serving that contractors are folded into a Home Inspector discussion as a matter of fact.


They are not. What makes you think they are?

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Who would hold up knowledge of codes and more or less suggest the contractor licensing process has the right idea other than a contractor?


Who is doing that?

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Can anyone post a study that correlates code knowledge and/or contractor licensing to to consumer benefit?


Huh? Sounds like you have some agenda, based on the fact that you posted inaccurate assumptions in your questions.

--
Jerry Peck
South Florida
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Originally Posted By: sbyrnes
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I’m new to the NACHI thing, and I’m fairly new to being a home inspector. I’ve been doing it as a full time profession for just about a year now and did everything “right” to be a good home inspector. I carry the full insurance, I took the proper training, I even worked with another inspector for a few months to get some experience. I have made myself a good inspector in my area with realtors and customers alike saying I do a good thorough job. I’ve even lost sales because of bad houses and had my share of realtors question my reports and stop using me because I didn’t hide things. I do a good job and plan to continue.


Now if I’m reading everything right I should start planning a new business because if you have your way I’ll be out of business as soon as Florida starts licensing their inspectors since I haven’t been doing this for 3 yrs. Now for some reason that just doesn’t seem right to me.

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All Corners Home Inspections, Inc


Serving Pasco, Hernando, N. Pinellas & N. Hillsborough counties

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Originally Posted By: gbell
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AMAZING


Scott you ned to go back and read this thread again. You are not understanding what has been said.

--
Greg Bell
Bell Inspection Service

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Originally Posted By: Jeff G. Hooper
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To All NACHI members and other Associated Associations,


I, Jeff G. Hooper, President of the Florida Association of Building Inspectors, The State Association, is not now, no has ever been a member of NACHI or its affiliations.

I am completely FOR the Licensing of Home Inspectors in Florida and actively pursuing the same.

I have asked to be dropped from your membership numerous times to no avail.

Hence, I can post this message.

Be advised that your comments are being monitored. Liable will not be tolerated. Please release me from your Association as your ideas and view are in conflict with my GOOD Code of Ethics and the By Laws of FABI.

Jeff G. Hooper
ICC, SBCCI, CGC, BN certified and Licensed.

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Originally Posted By: Guest
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gromicko wrote:
NACHI is already the largest inspection association in Florida. NACHI has its own FL state association, a separate association that declared itself to be a NACHI Chapter, a NACHI lobbyist in FL, NACHI legal counsel in FL, 6 NACHI local Chapters in FL, a NACHI national convention in FL, strong relationships with legislators in FL, a whopping 542 NACHI members in FL, and now my position as Exec. Dir. of FAPHI. Also, one of our NACHI members, Jeff Hooper, is President of FABI.


Note to non-NACHI inspectors...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

John Lennon


Nick, just how full of crap are you?
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Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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request.

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Joseph Hagarty


HouseMaster / Main Line, PA
joseph.hagarty@housemaster.com
www.householdinspector.com

Phone: 610-399-9864
Fax : 610-399-9865

HouseMaster. Home inspections. Done right.
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Originally Posted By: Guest
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http://www.nachi.org/deadwood.htm


Why should someone who never joined have to beg their name off the list?

What's the likelihood that inspectors that don't know they're members, or they're retired, or they were never even really in business knowing their name is listed and then reading "what's new", then clicking the link to actually remove themselves?

Isn't there a method to police this sort of thing by dues collected? Don't tell us you have no idea of how many inspectors actually JOINED NACHI?

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Originally Posted By: jburkeson
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–
Joseph Burkeson, RPI (Hooperette)


?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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I can understand that you are upset that I, as Executive Director of NACHI, am helping another State association other than FABI, that your attempt to reorganize NACHI failed, that I helped kill FABI’s licensing proposal last year, and that the other State association I love and tout is not FABI, but please don’t make up stories such as: You never joined NACHI or you’ve asked to be removed from http://www.nachi.org/memberlist/featured/all.htm in the past.

–
Nick Gromicko


Founder


dues=79cents/day.


I much prefer email to private messages.
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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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I wish FABI well and believe (with the exception of licensing) that FABI does plenty of good work. However, I won’t be attending FABI’s licensing meeting in December that former NACHI member Jeff Hooper recently invited me to.


I hope this post is taken in the spirit in which I've offered it.

--
Nick Gromicko
Founder
dues=79cents/day.

I much prefer email to private messages.

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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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gromicko wrote:
??? Jeff: You joined NACHI! I have proof. You can even ask Harvey Gordon (Harvey is a Pastor...you're not going to call a Pastor a liar are you? ![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif) )


Nick,

As I recall, when you invited me, I asked about me asking Jeff, and you said okay.

TO MY KNOWLEDGE, Jeff never accepted.

I'm curious as to what proof you have? As to Harvey, my understanding is that Harvey asked Jeff on numerous occasions to talk to his (Harvey's) group, and Harvey may have submitted a membership application for Jeff when doing so.

So be it. There ARE inspectors who are listed as members and never joined. And you were recently asked by them to remove their names. Did you?

--
Jerry Peck
South Florida
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Originally Posted By: dfrend
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Their plan, if in July 2004 you did not comply with all three provisions, did not provide any way for an individual to ever become a Florida licensed Home Inspector, scary to say the least.


I am not from Florida, but that was my point. That is not licensing it is an attempt at a forcible takeover by those who want the market to themselves. If that proposal is pushed, then I would recommend that ads be taken out advising the public that in 5 -10 years when many of these guys are retiring that they will be out of luck because of the shortage of inspectors.

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Daniel R Frend
www.nachifoundation.org
The Home Inspector Store
www.homeinspectorstore.com
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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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dfrend wrote:
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Their plan, if in July 2004 you did not comply with all three provisions, did not provide any way for an individual to ever become a Florida licensed Home Inspector, scary to say the least.


I am not from Florida, but that was my point. That is not licensing it is an attempt at a forcible takeover by those who want the market to themselves. If that proposal is pushed, then I would recommend that ads be taken out advising the public that in 5 -10 years when many of these guys are retiring that they will be out of luck because of the shortage of inspectors.


Daniel,

Don't believe everything you read. It did provide for new inspector entering the business. It did not provide the free ride that Joe B. wanted, though.

--
Jerry Peck
South Florida
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Originally Posted By: jburkeson
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jpeck wrote:
Don't believe everything you read. It did provide for new inspector entering the business. It did not provide the free ride that Joe B. wanted, though.



Jerry,

Maybe you would like to go back and clip the chapter and verse from the legislation that claims to provide a path for inspectors who are not grandfathered to become a Florida licensed Home Inspector, and post it here for all to read.

Daniel, don't believe everything you read about Florida Home Inspector licensing, especially if it comes from someone who will be automatically grandfathered regardless. ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)

--
Joseph Burkeson, RPI (Hooperette)

?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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Originally Posted By: dfrend
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I don’t know what it said, but I sure hope it is read carefully by those it would affect. Don’t just support what they tell you to.

–
Daniel R Frend


www.nachifoundation.org


The Home Inspector Store


www.homeinspectorstore.com

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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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With one weird exception (WIN Corporate franchiser agreement that is almost up) every inspector on http://www.nachi.org/memberlist/featured/all.htm joined NACHI. With many thousands of members, statistically speaking, having only 4 members in the history of this message board and NACHI, claim that they have never joined NACHI is pretty much statistical proof that what I say is true. If it wasn’t there would be hundreds making that ridiculous claim. By the way, the 4 inspectors in the history of NACHI who made this claim all have something in common icon_lol.gif .


Anyway, I'll say it again:

Every inspector on http://www.nachi.org/memberlist/featured/all.htm joined NACHI.

And I'll say this again:

There is no way licensing can get through Tallahassee without NACHI.



Believe what you want. I'm done with this thread and am very pleased to be working with FAPHI.

--
Nick Gromicko
Founder
dues=79cents/day.

I much prefer email to private messages.

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Originally Posted By: Guest
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For all things verifiable Jerry has been a stickler to precision in speech.


For all things quantifiable he has been a stickler to accuracy.


He's bored me to tears at times with code or the definitions and innuendos in language, but I've never seen him diverge from the characteristics mentioned in the first two sentences of this post.

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Originally Posted By: Guest
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