Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Jerry Peck is correct that Jeff Hooper did not join through Jerry Peck. Harvey Gordon arranged for Jeff Hooper’s membership directly. Jeff Hooper even sent me an email correcting his mailing address listed in NACHI’s membership database.
Like I said, FAPHI is great bunch of guys. Above all, I'm a people person. You almost have to be to be a REALTOR for as many years as I was. I accepted this position with FAPHI NOT for any other reason than because of the people behind the group.
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
I did not form FAPHI. In fact, I didn’t even know of its existence until after it was formed. FAPHI is not my acronym. I was only asked to help out (like I often am) later.
I got a pile of emails accusing me of setting up FAPHI just so I can say they brought me on board or something silly, but it just isn't true.
I confess that I have covert involvement in many organizations and websites in the inspection industry, but FAPHI isn't one of them.
Originally Posted By: jpeck This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
jburkeson wrote:
jpeck wrote:
Don't believe everything you read. It did provide for new inspector entering the business. It did not provide the free ride that Joe B. wanted, though.
Maybe you would like to go back and clip the chapter and verse from the legislation that claims to provide a path for inspectors who are not grandfathered to become a Florida licensed Home Inspector, and post it here for all to read.
You asked for it, you got it.
This is from the last bill which was in the Senate.
(7) ELIGIBILITY.--To be eligible for a license as a home inspector, an applicant must:
(a) Be of good moral character.
(b) Have successfully completed high school or its equivalent.
(c) Have completed a course of study of no less than 90 hours that covers all of the following components of a home: structure, electrical system, HVAC system, roof covering, plumbing system, interior components, exterior components, and site conditions that affect the structure.
(d) Pass an examination that is psychometrically valid and meets the standards of the Council on Licensure, Enforcement, and Regulation, as determined by the department.
Originally Posted By: Jeff G. Hooper This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
I was granted membership without filling out anything. That is how easy it is to join NACHI. I refused, and stated this to Harvey, if he says anything else, well, just some more NACHI lies.
Some of you need to read the Licensing Bills before sticking your foot into your mouth about things you obviously know nothing about.
If you are a FABI member and do not want to support the organization and the vote, 82% of membership voted yes to Licensing, then so be it. You are entitled to your opinion. The fact is, The State Association, FABI voted for membership overwhelmingly.
12 years of dealing with Registration and Licensing. 12 years of hard fought battles. 12 years of lies and innuendo. 12 years of this same old thing you guys are doing now.
This madness you NACHI guys are doing has already been done with the other groups in Florida. You late comers are just a repeat of more of the same. And when you are gone, someone else will step in and start the whole thing all over again. Just like Texas did, see where it got them.
Originally Posted By: jburkeson This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
jpeck wrote:
jburkeson wrote:
jpeck wrote:
Don't believe everything you read. It did provide for new inspector entering the business. It did not provide the free ride that Joe B. wanted, though.
Maybe you would like to go back and clip the chapter and verse from the legislation that claims to provide a path for inspectors who are not grandfathered to become a Florida licensed Home Inspector, and post it here for all to read.
You asked for it, you got it.
This is from the last bill which was in the Senate.
(7) ELIGIBILITY.--To be eligible for a license as a home inspector, an applicant must:
(a) Be of good moral character.
(b) Have successfully completed high school or its equivalent.
(c) Have completed a course of study of no less than 90 hours that covers all of the following components of a home: structure, electrical system, HVAC system, roof covering, plumbing system, interior components, exterior components, and site conditions that affect the structure.
(d) Pass an examination that is psychometrically valid and meets the standards of the Council on Licensure, Enforcement, and Regulation, as determined by the department.
You just didn't copy it in its entirety;
From the house bill...
(7) ELIGIBILITY.--To be eligible for a license as a home
105 inspector, an applicant must:
106 (a) Be of good moral character.
107 (b) Have successfully completed high school or its
108 equivalent.
109 (c) Have completed a course of study of no less than 90
110 hours that covers all of the following components of a home:
111 structure, electrical system, HVAC system, roof covering,
112 plumbing system, interior components, exterior components, and
113 site conditions that affect the structure.
114 (d) Pass an examination that is psychometrically valid and
115 meets the standards of the Council on Licensure, Enforcement,
116 and Regulation, as determined by the department.
117 ( GRANDFATHERING.--For the first year after the
118 enactment of this section, to be eligible for a license as a
119 home inspector, an applicant must:
120 (a) Be of good moral character.
121 (b) Have successfully completed high school or its
122 equivalent.
123 (c) Have been engaged in the practice of home inspection
124 for compensation for not fewer than 3 years prior to the
125 effective date of this section.
126 (d) Have performed not fewer than 250 home inspections for
127 compensation.
128 (e) Have passed a psychometrically valid examination that
129 meets the standards in the Council on Licensure, Enforcement,
130 and Regulation publication "A Resource Brief on Licensure
131 Examinations," as determined by the department.
The real problem with this bill is there is no clear path for someone who is currently not a home inspector to become a home inspector and if you are a current home inspector who does not have 250 inspections and three years experience there is no plan for you to obtain those inspections or experience. You can see why it never made it out of session.
-- Joseph Burkeson, RPI (Hooperette)
?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Originally Posted By: dfrend This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Quote:
( GRANDFATHERING.--For the first year after the 117
enactment of this section, to be eligible for a license as a 118
home inspector, an applicant must: 119
(a) Be of good moral character. 120
(b) Have successfully completed high school or its 121
equivalent. 122
(c) Have been engaged in the practice of home inspection 123
for compensation for not fewer than 3 years prior to the 124
effective date of this section. 125
(d) Have performed not fewer than 250 home inspections for 126
compensation. 127
(e) Have passed a psychometrically valid examination that 128
meets the standards in the Council on Licensure, Enforcement, 129
and Regulation publication "A Resource Brief on Licensure 130
Examinations," as determined by the department.
Originally Posted By: Jeff G. Hooper This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Jerry,
What is the point. These guys do not know that a large group of us are the authors of the bills. That we not only know what it says, but we also know why.
Originally Posted By: dfrend This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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What is the point. These guys do not know that a large group of us are the authors of the bills. That we not only know what it says, but we also know why.
Because we are too dumb not having ASHI membership and 15 years and thousands of inspections. 
Originally Posted By: jburkeson This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Jeff G. Hooper wrote:
If you are a FABI member and do not want to support the organization and the vote, 82% of membership voted yes to Licensing, then so be it. You are entitled to your opinion. The fact is, The State Association, FABI voted for membership overwhelmingly. Jeff G. Hooper,
Mr. Hooper,
I am confused, has 82% of the FABI membership been in business 3+ years, accumulated 250+ inspections and passed the NHIE? Qualifications for RPI, FABI's highest designation only require 150 fee-paid inspections and no length of business requirement, if that is the case, why would FABI members vote to put themselves out of business?
In other words shouldn't all RPI's be eligible for grandfathering in any Florida Home Inspector licensing bill?
-- Joseph Burkeson, RPI (Hooperette)
?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Originally Posted By: jpeck This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
jburkeson wrote:
jpeck wrote:
jburkeson wrote:
Maybe you would like to go back and clip the chapter and verse from the legislation that claims to provide a path for inspectors who are not grandfathered to become a Florida licensed Home Inspector, and post it here for all to read.
You asked for it, you got it.
This is from the last bill which was in the Senate.
(7) ELIGIBILITY.--To be eligible for a license as a home inspector, an applicant must:
(a) Be of good moral character.
(b) Have successfully completed high school or its equivalent.
(c) Have completed a course of study of no less than 90 hours that covers all of the following components of a home: structure, electrical system, HVAC system, roof covering, plumbing system, interior components, exterior components, and site conditions that affect the structure.
(d) Pass an examination that is psychometrically valid and meets the standards of the Council on Licensure, Enforcement, and Regulation, as determined by the department.
You just didn't copy it in its entirety;
From the house bill...
(7) ELIGIBILITY.--To be eligible for a license as a home inspector, an applicant must:
(a) Be of good moral character.
(b) Have successfully completed high school or its equivalent.
(c) Have completed a course of study of no less than 90 hours that covers all of the following components of a home: structure, electrical system, HVAC system, roof covering, plumbing system, interior components, exterior components, and site conditions that affect the structure.
(d) Pass an examination that is psychometrically valid and meets the standards of the Council on Licensure, Enforcement,and Regulation, as determined by the department.
Remember, it was YOU who specified "to provide a path for inspectors who are not grandfathered", so that is what I did.
Okay, now to compare them line by line.
Senate: (7) ELIGIBILITY.--To be eligible for a license as a home inspector, an applicant must:
House : (7) ELIGIBILITY.--To be eligible for a license as a home inspector, an applicant must:
Senate: (a) Be of good moral character.
House : (a) Be of good moral character.
Senate: (b) Have successfully completed high school or its equivalent.
House : (b) Have successfully completed high school or its equivalent.
Senate: (c) Have completed a course of study of no less than 90 hours that covers all of the following components of a home: structure, electrical system, HVAC system, roof covering, plumbing system, interior components, exterior components, and site conditions that affect the structure.
House : (c) Have completed a course of study of no less than 90 hours that covers all of the following components of a home: structure, electrical system, HVAC system, roof covering, plumbing system, interior components, exterior components, and site conditions that affect the structure.
Senate: (d) Pass an examination that is psychometrically valid and meets the standards of the Council on Licensure, Enforcement, and Regulation, as determined by the department.
House : (d) Pass an examination that is psychometrically valid and meets the standards of the Council on Licensure, Enforcement, and Regulation, as determined by the department.
Originally Posted By: jpeck This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Oh, YOU MEANT to ask for grandfathering, then why did you SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDE it from your request?
jburkeson wrote:
From the house bill...
( GRANDFATHERING.--For the first year after the enactment of this section, to be eligible for a license as a home inspector, an applicant must:
(a) Be of good moral character.
(b) Have successfully completed high school or its equivalent.
(c) Have been engaged in the practice of home inspection for compensation for not fewer than 3 years prior to the effective date of this section.
(d) Have performed not fewer than 250 home inspections for compensation.
(e) Have passed a psychometrically valid examination that meets the standards in the Council on Licensure, Enforcement, and Regulation publication "A Resource Brief on Licensure Examinations," as determined by the department.
Not really much different than for the eligibility, other than establishing some criteria for those already in the business.
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The real problem with this bill is there is no clear path for someone who is currently not a home inspector to become a home inspector and if you are a current home inspector who does not have 250 inspections and three years experience there is no plan for you to obtain those inspections or experience. You can see why it never made it out of session.
Huh?
"there is no clear path for someone ... "
Okay, I'll try to follow you, but you will have to go slow.
" ... who is currently not a home inspector
to become a home inspector and
if you are a current home inspector ... "
Huh?
If you are currently not a home inspector, grandfathering does not apply.
Originally Posted By: dfrend This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Jerry, Let’s say one has taken a 45-60 hour course offered by the top HI schools. They have 1 year and a half in business and assuming there first few months were pretty slow maybe 150-200 inspections. Once the law goes into effect all the ffort and training and money they have tied up is for nothing because they do not meet the grandfathering clause.
They have training, but not quite enough. They have a business that now has some small roots, but not enough. They have experience, but not enough. So now they have to shut down. They can't perform any fee paid inspections under law. Sure, they can go get the additional training, and another 100 inspections(once again, you try posing as a newbie and ask somebody for 100+ training inspections, could take years), but by that time they may be bankrupt.
Originally Posted By: Jeff G. Hooper This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
The NHIE is not the only test, in fact it is not identified. The board will approve a test that meets the criteria, FABI’s test has been validated. ASHI has nothting to do with this other than being just one of many Association participants.
MOST IMPORTANT! The Bills are about protecting the public from untrained, unqualified inspectors, not about protecting the inspectors.
We are not afraid of legislation. We will gladly do more testing. We wish to continue to better ourselves. We are about being the best we can be, we will do what we need to do to be better.
FABI has always supported other organizations, and help to promote them. We are about education of the home inspector.
And yes, 82% was the vote. Kinda overwelming. Noticed one of you just joined at the end of last month. With the badmouthing you are doing, Why?
Cannot figure out how 540 inspectors in Florida completely dominates Florida when just one county has over 600 inspectors. 348 in my county alone? We will see.
Nick, Think you are Jeb's friend as you stated. Good, have him call me, if you can. Maybe if you and I ever meet we can exchange stories about the rich and famous.
Originally Posted By: gbeaumont This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Hi to all,
Jerry P, are you being deliberately obtuse, or do you really not get it ? as Dan previously commented there are many inspectors currently working in FL who would not be grandfathered under the proposed legislation, unfortunately there will also be many incompetents who will.
I personally know several inspectors whose inspection knowledge is very good but who have failed to complete 250 inspections in the last 3 years, many inspectors (like myself I must add) have other business interests on top of their inspection practices, any many more who have come into the business over the last couple of years are as Dan pointed out still building their businesses, what realistically is their position under the current bill ??
A further thought also comes to mind, you often make comment on the fact that very many of your inspections take several days to complete, have you yourself managed to do 250 in the last 3 years ??
One last point, I see many reports from NHIE holders in New Hampshire (an unlicensed state similar to FL) who have done thousands of home inspections, however many of them I would not have work for me, due to the very poor quality of their reports.
This should not be a numbers game Jerry, it should be a qualitative one.
BTW, I am very PRO licensing, and ANTI protectionist led legislation in equal measure.
Originally Posted By: jburkeson This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Jeff G. Hooper wrote:
Noticed one of you just joined at the end of last month. With the badmouthing you are doing, Why?
Mr. Hooper,
You must be referencing me, as stated previously on this thread, I joined FABI for two reasons;
1). Continuing Education
2). To stay informed on licensing issues
As far as badmouthing goes, I see none directed to FABI by me or anyone else here on this thread, I respectfully suggest you acquire thicker skin, but as not to disapoint... Do you really expect everyone who joins FABI to drink the Florida licensing kool-aid?
Now, getting back to my original question, and a clear answer would be appreciated by all, especially those of us who will be voting next month. What is your position on RPI's, should they be grandfathered under any proposed Florida licensing bill, or should RPI's who do not have 3+ years experience AND 250+ inspections be required to work for ASHI members until they have fulfilled these requirements?
gbeaumont wrote:
This should not be a numbers game Jerry, it should be a qualitative one.
BTW, I am very PRO licensing, and ANTI protectionist led legislation in equal measure.
Gerry, we agree, I think 
-- Joseph Burkeson, RPI (Hooperette)
?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Originally Posted By: jpeck This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
dfrend wrote:
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What is the point. These guys do not know that a large group of us are the authors of the bills. That we not only know what it says, but we also know why.
Because we are too dumb not having ASHI membership and 15 years and thousands of inspections. 