NACHI's Gromicko becomes Exec. Dir. of another association.

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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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I’m not certain (like I am about FABI), but I think FAPHI has a pretty good chance.


PS. I registered FAPHI.org and FAPHI.com

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Nick Gromicko
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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Joe is correct.


I like FABI... I just know (I'm 100% positive) that they are wasting their time proposing legislation without NACHI support.

I thought this announcement would be helpful to FABI. Would you have preferred I let you keep hitting your head against the wall?

I still think we have a chance to all work together, but we might have to "leave our association hats at the door" as one once said.

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Nick Gromicko
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Originally Posted By: jstewart1
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Originally Posted By: gbell
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Hello Jerry,


I don’t think I have ever argued for or against licensing. I am only looking at reality. Some day we will have it. If you look at the history of licensing in Florida then it may shed some light on what may be in our future. But I really have no idea what it will contain. I do know that I will adjust and direct our chapter in what ever direction is needed. The Florida chapters will work together to meet the needs of our members whether they be new or seasoned inspectors.


I do not need any government agenda to protect my business. If my performance and ability to sell my services are not enough then I am in the wrong occupation.

I do belive that it will be some time before we see any legislation here given the recent events we have experienced. They are going to have much bigger problems to work on. Just as it was mentioned earlier.

Regards,

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Greg Bell
Bell Inspection Service

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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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bhendry wrote:
Jerry P,

Indulge me if you will.

Do you have any simple clear Home Inspector related data to support the statement "And protecting the public is the basis for all licensing."?

Regards,

Bill


Bill,

Don't need any. "THE" basis for ANY licensing is "to protect the public".

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Jerry Peck
South Florida
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Originally Posted By: jstewart1
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Mr. Gromicko,


If there is anything I can do to help your efforts in Florida please let me know.

Jerry Stewart

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Originally Posted By: jburkeson
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Joseph Burkeson, RPI (Hooperette)


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Originally Posted By: Jeff G. Hooper
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icon_cool.gif I’m still smiling about what I have been reading.


I know something you don't know. Na Na Come on Nick. Get real.

I don't care what you think. I don't care if you blame FABI, because you were not there. You only have hearsay and nothing more.

Your facts are flawed. You spread lies, One minute you praise FABI the next you blast them and blame them for something they finally took charge of 2 years ago.

Where in the world do you get your information. Space?

Doesn't it bother you when your own people point out your lies. You should not be allowed to contribute to your own message board until you perform at least some small amount of research and check your facts.


Jeff

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Originally Posted By: Jeff G. Hooper
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icon_idea.gif You go Joseph Burkeson. Right on.


Good luck, best wishes.

With enough time, and tens of thousands of dollars, you might just get heard.

I wish I was able to comment on one of your thoughts. But it is better that you find out on your own.

Jeff G. Hooper

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Originally Posted By: Jeff G. Hooper
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Joseph


Oh, our phone books are already out for 2005. We received them last month in this area. New book, no NACHI members listed. None last year either. Or the year before.


Jeff G. Hooper

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Originally Posted By: jmertins
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I think a good point has been made that with all the destruction that obviously this past summer the HI legislation will have a hard time finding its way into bill. I also feel that we are forgetting the integrity and intelligence that most of our lawmakers carry.


Being a "Pro-Business" state I would hope that whatever version eventually does get considered for law would be a fair, level, and consumer friendly bill. Obviously last springs version did not meet that criteria as it was not on a level field for all to have equal representation and the right to work.

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John Mertins

Baxter Home Inspections, Inc.

"Greatness courts failure"

Roy "Tin Cup" McAvoy

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Originally Posted By: kmcmahon
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Jeff, is this you?


http://www.inspectiondepot.com/training/trainers.html

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Wisconsin Home Inspection, ABC Home Inspection LLC


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Originally Posted By: jmertins
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Don’t need any. “THE” basis for ANY licensing is "to protect the public


Jerry who are you quoting?

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Originally Posted By: Jeff G. Hooper
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Jerry is quoting the first chapter of State Statutes, 489, 468 Part XII, 471, 481 and several others just to name a few. All State laws are written for the protection of the public and safety. That is the purpose of laws. Ya can’t kill em Tonto, its against the law.


Yes Joseph, I feel the same way. That is why I was involved, took the bull by the horns and Joey and I started to get the different organizations together. You guys are the ones sitting on the fence right now. And with your attitudes that is where you will stay. We tried to offer you a place and a say, instead we get your people using our offer as a political platform to say how great they are. We get slapped in the face and the pounding keeps coming. Nick faults FABI for something it did not do, quite the contrary. But then why would I expect you to bother checking it out. You would rather listen to your selves than others who have been around for a long time.

You can bet your #$%& that I will always put down and defeat those that do not have the publics best interest in mind. My State Licenses require this. I am not protecting myself, I am required to protect the people per my State License as a Building Inspector. The public needs protection from us. They need it desperately. Licensing to protect Home Ispectors will not, and never will be enacted by this State or any other State. Do your research. Registration has already been shot down in Florida. It will not work and the Government is not interested.

And, yes up there in Jacksonville, it is I. Stirring the pot. Fishing, and finding out what these guys are up too until they kick me off.

Jeff G. Hooper

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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Jeff, no one gets kicked off of NACHI’s message board.


Anyway, while you have your nose in the yellow pages... we are... http://www.nachi.org/alexasitecomparison.htm

Look, let's be friends. I take back everything I said that offended you. Let's work for the good of our profession in Florida.

NACHI and FABI are both best served if we all come together. Just imagine (no I'm not going to post the lyrics to another John Lennon song ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ) if we all start working together. We would be a power house in Florida and we'd have the ability to do what's right.

How about it?

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Nick Gromicko
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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Me too. If we all come together… we’ll get the right thing done.


Jeff... friends?

Your answer is a defining moment for the FL HI profession.

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Nick Gromicko
Founder
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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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I personally believe the defining moment was when the bill was defeated. This is a great opportuity for NACHI to shine. In NY, we are having discussions at this time as to whether NACHI should join forces and mecome a member of NYSAHI. The general concensus is a resounding “no”.


In NY, NACHI was instrumental in assisting folks craft balanced legislation. We did it with no lobbiest, no position statement, no model legislation, and without lying to the legislators as to how we represented all home nspctors in the state (lik some other groups did). 2 guys, speaking plainly and truthfully, turned the tide. Period.

So, the question is why NACHI, or ANY independent inspector, would consider joinig an association hell-bent on controlling the profession, whether via legislation, or any other means.

We are at these crossroads here in NY. It sounds like NACHI's Florida brethren are at a slightly diferent crossroad, with the same core issues at stake.

Jeff Hooper can slam NACHI all he wants. The real question is which group supported the defeated legislation, and why. All this crap about protecting the public is a smokescreen. Like there's never been in buildng inspector paid to look the other way in Florida... right.

There are simpler ways to protect the consumer, other than licensing HIs. Everyone knows this, but ignores it. In te end, it all comes down to the nmbers, and a means to thin the herd.

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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

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Originally Posted By: Guest
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Jeff,


Take my advice here. Don't engage in any interaction w/ Farsetta. It's rather like poking a sharp stick in your eye, only far less productive.

He's a name caller too..don't get him riled.

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Originally Posted By: dfrend
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Doug Edwards has a good point too. Maryland has a license law in the books and ready to go (Was supposed to start July 1, 2002 I believe). But with schools, public safety, and other items, it is as of right now unfunded. So it sits stale. Maybe if the Gov gets his slots they can fund it.

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Daniel R Frend


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Originally Posted By: Jeff G. Hooper
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Point taken.


The Florida Bills went all the way through committee. A report is to be filed by one of them. The house and senate committees voted yea at all points along the way. In other words, the bill was not stopped by anyone or anything. You can read the vote online and follow the bills if you wish. None of the hearings had an impact.

The required sunshine study was performed by one of the universities in 1993 and came back that HI should be licensed as they pose a threat to the public. At the time there were just less than 2000 inspectors in Florida. A bill cannot pass without this study in FL.

Jerry and I have in the past created and proposed a Licensing Bill that looked intimidating. It would have opened doors for inspectors. The inspectors; however could not get past the penalty and insurance requirements to see the good that would have occurred. Both required elements.

Licensing will occur in this State as it has in 27 others. It is just a matter of time.

What form it takes will be partially up to us at this time. What we no will not happen is registration, (lawmakers said no way and this has already failed), or a fair trades practice act, (what has failed for 11 straight years). The definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over the same way and expecting a different result.

This state is highly regulated. This state regulates things many of your states would not think of.

And yes, all professions have their good and bad. A few bad contractors give them all a bad name. This state as alot of bad Realtors. That is why they have thier rep. We have our share.

The FHBA told us that we need to get it together or they would see to it that they had us licensed. Do you realy want the contractors to license us? You will have no say. They are a huge lobby body that pumps millions into the government. They have have success in two counties already.

Lobbiest are not free. We have spent thousands. Do you have one?

It will happen. If you wish to work for a licensing bill fine. Nothing less though as it would be a waste of time and money. Besides, been there, done that and that horse is dead.

The time for debate, and fighting, about licensing ran out two years ago when the groups decided to work for a common good and meeting were held with FHBA. All parties were invited. Many did not attend. Either be part of the solution, or provide a constructive alternative. Waste your time on an answer, not complaining. We have all heard the cmplaining before. We do not need to waste time arguing with you guys, time is short, the path was set years ago, only distruption is occurring on your part. Give me something constructive that can be used, not lip service.

While Mark C was president of National ASHI, he and I had our battles. What suprised us is we found that there was some common ground for the inspectors between us. We agreed to work together. As professionals.
Claude M National NAHI also had some issues with us, and us with them. We to found common ground. Unlike the two above, there were no lies and slams, only respect in our battles.

By the way, I am not an ASHI member, never have been. Will never be. My state organization has what I need, and the FL home inspectors best interest in mind. They listen to their members. That is why I think it is so funny that I keep hearing some of you use ASHI over and over. Your not paying attention are you. Or you have some bitter hate for them. Why? Not that I need to know, I really do not care. I am a FABI inspector, and I like that because we welcome everyone, including you.

When you have speakers that do not talk about marketing and litigation, but rather inspecting and building sciences I will even come to your meetings. Associations should be about educating inspectors in the field and not marketing. Marketing can be obtained anywhere. Get rich quick!

Jeff G. Hooper